H/R e-mail for USA3000

[NEDude]

N905TW...

Yeah... i was talking with a Capt the other day who was saying they were downsizing to get rid of pilots and the union. A long doom and gloom flight all the way to PUJ...OOYYY....
I had to dig the CBA out of my basement since we have been locked out of the CO web site and agree, it was surprisingly well written, so im not worried that is mgmt's motives.
Inspite of the complaining from many senior guys, this is a very good first CBA.
And IF this eastern thing happens i am sure we have first right to those jobs. Barring any concessions from the union.

PM me if you or anyone hear anything substantial about this or anything else. Might not want to make everything FI buisness right away ;-)

Take care.
Joe.

I think there is precedent over such a situation. If I remember correctly the latest and greatest version of Pan Am (the PSM based one) actually used the Carnival Airlines certificate, and there was a similar clause regarding the pilots and union belonging to the certificate. The new management wanted the certificate but not the pilots and there was a long battle that was ultimately "won" by the pilots. I use the quotes because in the long run, the company did kill the union by transferring all flying to their "regional" - Boston and Maine Airways - and from my understanding life was never good over at Pan Am.

But our CBA and precedent would indicate that they could not get rid of us by simply transferring the certificate. The bigger question is that if they are so focused on killing the union, what kind of company will it really be to work for. And history shows that when a management focuses too much enegery on killing an established union, the company ends up failing.

 

[smoknjoe]

Hey NEdude.

In all fairness, eventhough im on the street, I dont realy see how the company has done much to the pilot group.
I have NO faith in our new CEO, his way of dealing with things are well documented from North American. And I have a few friends at Indigo aswell, so the patteren has been established with regards to him. He hides the lack of REAL excecutive talent by running the old Lorentzo/Ornstein labor relations handbook by the numbers.

But as of yet he has not done anything like that to the pilots at U3K. The downsizing is probably not un-justified. Even if there is to be growth sometime in the future.

So far it has been about the F/A's. They were the highest paid in the buisness, many making more than alot of pilots. And now they are paying the prize for not getting a union long ago.

anywhoo, nuff typing for now. gatta feed my kids..

Take care.
Joe.

 

[smoknjoe]

Here are some links to this topic on other boards.

http://www.pprune.org/airlines-airp...eastern-name-usa3000-airways-certificate.html

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/4402884/

Take care.
Joe.

 

[MCDU]

is Ronny K still at U3K. He is one horny dude. I think he is based in PHL.

M

 

[mrebuck]

Yeah he's still there.

 

[NEDude]

Apparently Apple has recently sold 49% of USA3000 to an outside group and there is now a Board of Directors. This was revealed by Steve Harfst at a recent training department meeting.

Still plans are to continue to shrink even further.

Question, who would invest in an airline for the purpose of shrinking it?

 

[smoknjoe]

Apparently Apple has recently sold 49% of USA3000 to an outside group and there is now a Board of Directors. This was revealed by Steve Harfst at a recent training department meeting.

Still plans are to continue to shrink even further.

Question, who would invest in an airline for the purpose of shrinking it?

Hang in there buddy... who would invest in a company to SHRINK it? As we heard long ago... The current lease payments are much higher than what they might currently get so it makes sence to get rid of those and replace with something else.

It is painful right now, i just got back from working construction.... But it makes buisness sence..... I think there is enough substance to the current rumors for me to be optimistic about the LONG term.

I just wish we still had acess to the CO web site so I could keep studying....

Anywhoo. Its way overdue for beer30...
CHEERS...
Take care.
Joe.

 

[exphojump]

IF, what you say is true and we rebrand as EAL.

They will want start up rates with stock options, they will try to renegotiate the contract.

They will also have to rebrand and likely start small, 4 or 5 aircraft, not like Independence.

Furloughing down to 50 to 60 is a good way to start from a business perspective and instill fear in the top folks, there are not many contracts for those TACA and Ryan guys to pick up right now.

Hopefully I will be recalled in a year or so,

Until then chilling in KZ )

 

[alpine1989]

My thoughts exactly. However I do think working on the DoD contracts and ETOPS certification means they are trying to make the airline attractive to sell and they are not just planning on shutting it down. There are some fun, although admittedly far fetched, rumors out there as well.

DOD?

Widebodies?

Trying to recreate NAA?

 

[smoknjoe]

DOD?

Widebodies?

Trying to recreate NAA?

Well...the new CEO DID come from NAA.......

Sorry, couldnt resist....

Take care.
Joe.