H.R. 3371 Airline Safety and Pilot Training Improvement Act of 2009

[ToThePain]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3371

Is this really this close to being passed? Anyone know any more about this? This bill is the one that dictates all pilots:

SEC. 10. FLIGHT CREWMEMBER SCREENING AND QUALIFICATIONS.
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(a) Requirements-
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(1) RULEMAKING PROCEEDING- The Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall conduct a rulemaking proceeding to require part 121 air carriers to develop and implement means and methods for ensuring that flight crewmembers have proper qualifications and experience.

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(2) MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS-
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(A) PROSPECTIVE FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that prospective flight crewmembers undergo comprehensive pre-employment screening, including an assessment of the skills, aptitudes, airmanship, and suitability of each applicant for a position as a flight crewmember in terms of functioning effectively in the air carrier’s operational environment.

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(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--
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(i) have obtained an airline transport pilot certificate under part 61 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations; and

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(ii) have appropriate multi-engine aircraft flight experience, as determined by the Administrator.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-3371

(B) ALL FLIGHT CREWMEMBERS- Rules issued under paragraph (1) shall ensure that, after the date that is 3 years after the date of enactment of this Act, all flight crewmembers--

A three year phase in is fair. It will prevent anyone from getting fired even if they were hired with 500 hours allowing them to get the 1500 hours total.

But it sure does reinforce the scam age 65 was with its immediate implementation effect one day as opposed to the day before. The over 60 crowd is embarrassing and I hope they get busted out quickly during their five month line checks!

Airline pilots flying on a commercial certificates are junior apprentices not real ATP's.

 

[RedDogC130]

so I would assume if somone is at a regional with the low time and got furloughed and it goes through 3 years or enough for them not to aquire enough flight time, will they be out of a job even if recalled?

 

[rigger]

so I would assume if somone is at a regional with the low time and got furloughed and it goes through 3 years or enough for them not to aquire enough flight time, will they be out of a job even if recalled?

As they should be...it's all about the experiance and they still may/maynot have it yet.

 

[Bringupthebird]

A three year phase in is fair. It will prevent anyone from getting fired even if they were hired with 500 hours allowing them to get the 1500 hours total.

But it sure does reinforce the scam age 65 was with its immediate implementation effect one day as opposed to the day before. The over 60 crowd is embarrassing and I hope they get busted out quickly during their five month line checks!

So it's more important to protect a 500 hour pilot's job than to protect the travelling public from that same pilot's inexperience? Age 60 was not about safety, it was about creating an artificial means of moving a stagnant seniority system.

I doubt many will bust out. They'd see their impending bust and simply choose to retire rather than deal with the hassle.

I don't fault the over 60 crowd for continuing to fly if they are able. Moving the retirement age upward in response to greater life expectancy makes sense. It doesn't help me yet, but it makes sense.

Wishing ill on folks isn't how I'd want to get my promotion. The end doesn't justify the means.

 

[ReverseSensing]

What in the world does having (or not having) an ATP have to do with low-time pilots or air traveler safety? Yes, some airline pilots don't have the time to get an ATP, but I'd also remind you that many, many regional FOs are flying on commercial tickets with several thousand hours. Some of us thought our airline would provide the ATP when we upgraded, but an upgrade has become a pipe-dream for many of us. Many of us probably won't upgrade in time.

It's a bit disgusting to think that a regional FO with 6-8,000 hours and 8 years in the right seat of an airline turboprop might have to go out and spend part of their meager salary to rent a Seminole to take an ATP ride. Of course, the airlines and the feds could probably figure out a way to make their next FO pro check an ATP ride, but that would require a certain generosity of spirit those parties are sorely lacking.

But hey, thanks for lumping my 6,000 hours TT and 5 years in the right seat (along with time flight instructing, hauling checks, and flying in the bush) in with the 250 hour academy dudes. Sorry my commercial ticket is such a threat to aviation safety.

Typical ********************ing FAA and congressional window-dressing and some of you geniuses who ought to know better are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. Glug, glug, here fishy, fishy.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

What in the world does having (or not having) an ATP have to do with low-time pilots or air traveler safety? Yes, some airline pilots don't have the time to get an ATP, but I'd also remind you that many, many regional FOs are flying on commercial tickets with several thousand hours. Some of us thought our airline would provide the ATP when we upgraded, but an upgrade has become a pipe-dream for many of us. Many of us probably won't upgrade in time.

It's a bit disgusting to think that a regional FO with 6-8,000 hours and 8 years in the right seat of an airline turboprop might have to go out and spend part of their meager salary to rent a Seminole to take an ATP ride. Of course, the airlines and the feds could probably figure out a way to make their next FO pro check an ATP ride, but that would require a certain generosity of spirit those parties are sorely lacking.

But hey, thanks for lumping my 6,000 hours TT and 5 years in the right seat (along with time flight instructing, hauling checks, and flying in the bush) in with the 250 hour academy dudes. Sorry my commercial ticket is such a threat to aviation safety.

Typical ********************ing FAA and congressional window-dressing and some of you geniuses who ought to know better are swallowing it hook, line, and sinker. Glug, glug, here fishy, fishy.

It takes nothing more than a few minutes a a couple extra sheets of paper to turn an FO ride into an ATP ride.

This at least is setting minimum flight time and licensing standards that should have long been done...and will totally nip in the bud the pilot mills. I'm all for it.

There are always other issues to be addressed- at least congress is making a move in the right direction for once.

 

[lookin4better]

I would say this looks like good news.... but in the end, just one more thing mommy and daddy with have to pay for with sooo many regional pilots.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Mommy and daddy can pay for say 200 or 300 hours in most situations of the sort.... 1500 hours is far out of reach for most anyone I can imagine.

 

[208starcheck]

Mommy and daddy can pay for say 200 or 300 hours in most situations of the sort.... 1500 hours is far out of reach for most anyone I can imagine.

Yep, Welcome to flying night cargo trust fund babies.