GVSP or a Global Express?

[Snakum]

I think I read the aquisition and direct operating costs somewhere for both birds and if I remember correctly, the Global Express is still a tad cheaper up front and the DOC is about 50% of the GVs. Granted, the GV is one sexy ship, but that's quite alot of dough isn't it?

Also, I've always wondered about pilot requirements for the corporate CLs v.s. the airline RJs. In 1999 a young pilot could upgrade to CA at some regionals/nationals in the CRJ at 2500 hours and haul 50 people A to B. But mins for a corp Challenger FO position hauling a small group of VIPs ran 3000 to 5000 hours. I imagine Captains (back then) needed at least 5000 (probably way more) and with significant time in type. Why is dat?

Just curious ...

Minh

 

[banned username 2]

Also, I've always wondered about pilot requirements for the corporate CLs v.s. the airline RJs. In 1999 a young pilot could upgrade to CA at some regionals/nationals in the CRJ at 2500 hours and haul 50 people A to B. But mins for a corp Challenger FO position hauling a small group of VIPs ran 3000 to 5000 hours. I imagine Captains (back then) needed at least 5000 (probably way more) and with significant time in type. Why is dat?

Just curious ...

Minh

Dat is because we don't haul people from A to B... we haul them from Z to Q and sometimes H (a lot of this is International Flying)... and a lot of times we have never been to Z, Q or even H.... every trip is different, we don't have a dispatcher planning everything and taking care of a lot of the "decisions"... The crew does a lot of this on their own in the Corporate World... From arranging handlers and flight planning, to obtaining airway and arrival slots, to dealing with customs and immigration... even can include obtaining one-time and multiple entry visas.... and that is why they want a LOT of experience for the flight crews... No offense but I don't think a lot of Regional Pilots are making multiple Atlantic crossings per month, working in RVSM airspace, dealing with PANS-OPS or other factors that are daily occurances in the Corporate world...

And the Corporate CL's are not the same as the Regional CL's... The Global Express is not the Canadair Regional Jet... it is an entirely new design made to compete with the G-V... I think you are trying to compare apples to oranges... there is a Corporate aircraft based on the CRJ, but is has very little of the capabilities of the Global Express (GEX) or G-V...

By the way, my company requires a minimum of 2,500 TT, 1,500 multi & 1,000 turbine for F/O's... For Captain we require 5,000 TT, 2,500 Multi, 1,500 Turbine and 1,000 jet as a minimum.... I don't think in recent years we have hired an F/O with less than 4,000 hours and at least 2 type ratings in Corporate Jets.

I don't mean the above to be any type of slam against a regional pilot... just stating that there are a lot of difference between the two jobs than what may meet the eye...

 

[GVFlyer]

I think I read the aquisition and direct operating costs somewhere for both birds and if I remember correctly, the Global Express is still a tad cheaper up front and the DOC is about 50% of the GVs. Granted, the GV is one sexy ship, but that's quite alot of dough isn't it?

Minh

Actually, the Global costs 5.6% more an hour to operate than the G550 (the GV production run has ended after production of 194 Jets. All production GV variants are now either G550's or G500's).

Conklin & DeDecker Spring 2002

Direct Operating Costs

G550 - $1608

GEX - $1698

You are right that the Global is cheaper (but it is also an older design):

G550 - $44,750,000.

GEX - $43,350,000.

The G550 with the Premium Package which includes 5 years free maintenance and training as well as an upgraded cabin with advanced electronics is $47.15 million. Just in case you're wondering - the BBJ is now $51 million.

GV

 

[banned username 2]

You are right that the Global is cheaper

Did HE really just say that?????

::: Thump ::: (sound of me falling off my chair!)

 

[hogdriver00]

Global

Anyone hear about Sprint's Global in Eagle?

 

[banned username 2]

Re: Global

Anyone hear about Sprint's Global in Eagle?

What happened?

 

[hogdriver00]

global

Not really sure. Thought someone might have heard something.

 

[banned username 2]

Re: global

Not really sure. Thought someone might have heard something.

Did they have an incident? accident?

What did you hear and how did you hear it?

 

[bigD]

Stupid Sprint pilots trying to steal my women....

::grumbles::

 

[hogdriver00]

Sprint

I guess they ran off the end of the runway on Friday.

 

[fokkerjet]

If I had $50 million to spend on either a BBJ or G550, I think I'd go out and find a late serial numbered GV and save $14 million. A quick look shows 3 G550's and 7 (really 4) GV's for sale now. There's gotta be some great deals out there!

By the way, just because Gulfstream renamed, "cleaned up" the airframe and added new avionics to the OLD lady, doesn't qualify it as new design

 

[hogdriver00]

Pitbull

It's like poking a pit bull with a stick through a fence. Why must we ask for more from GV???????

 

[bigD]

Well deftone, I was using a bit of hyperbole just to get a rise out of GVflyer, but I do honestly think the Citation X is a much better looking plane. The G-V is just long and thin. It's SO well proportioned - it's almost pedestrian. It's like looking at a Mecedes or Lexus sedan. Sleek, but kind of vanilla. There are no real "lines" on that plane. It looks like a pointy condom with wings and a tail.

Take a look at this Citation X :

I like the big beefy underside that starts just behind of the nose and gets bigger and bigger as it moves aft under the wing. I like the way the engines look like they belong on a jet 50% bigger in size. Take all this, add the razor thin leading edge of the wing, the tiny, low slung trailing link main gear, and that big @ss fairing (what the hell am I supposed to call it?) where the horizontal stabilizer connects with the vertical stab, and you have a jet that looks like it was designed by a guy younger than 85!

And if you want to see what I mean by lines, look at the crease in the fuselage that begins just behind and under the cockpit windows and back through the cabin door. Then look at the other crease just forward of the leading edge of the wing root. Awesome.

Hey, I realize I'm in the minority. That's fine by me - looks are a subjective thing. Besides, it means that my upgrade time will be that much faster when Citation X captains move "up" to something else!

 

[TAG2]

The GV hands down. It is an awesome airplane that just keeps setting new records. The reliability of the Gulfstreams is second to none and it doesn't have those tiny little square windows.

The Global has problems meeting the published numbers and isn't doing too well in the reliability category, from what I am hearing. The completion centers are/were having serious, serious problems with quality and meeting time lines that even remotely resembled what was expected.

 

[rice]

Big D

Not trying to imply anything but I took your last post and pulled out a few phrases from it. I think Freud (or Falcon Capt) would have a field day with this.



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