GV Accident in West Palm Beach ?

[P3-Adub]

Any details on a GV that had an accident in West Palm Beach in the last couple days ? Been looking for info, no luck.

Tahnks

 

[HS125]

Got this off the FAA's web site:


IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 777TY Make/Model: GLF5 Description: G-1159D GULFSTREAM 5 (C-37)
Date: 02/14/2002 Time: 1149

Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Substantial

LOCATION
City: WEST PALM BEACH State: FL Country: US

DESCRIPTION
ACFT TOOK OFF FROM RY27R AND CONTACTED DEPARTURE TO REQUEST A RETURN FOR
LANDING DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE PILOT WAS UNABLE TO RETRACT THE LANDING
GEAR, ON LANDING, THE RIGHT MAIN LANDING GEAR COLLAPSED, AND THE ACFT
SUSTAINED SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, WEST PALM BEACH, FL.

INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 0
# Crew: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 1 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:

WEATHER: 141153Z 33008KT 10SM FEW009 SCT030 OVC110 16/14 A3010

OTHER DATA
Activity: Business Phase: Landing Operation: General Aviation

Departed: W. PALM BEACH, FL Dep Date: 02/14/2002 Dep. Time: 1138
Destination: TETERBORO, NJ Flt Plan: IFR Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: UNKN
Last Clearance: CLRD TO LAND

FAA FSDO: FT LAUDERDALE, FL (SO17) Entry date: 02/14/2002 #

 

[flydog]

Gear was pinned and as a result could not be retracted. Airplane was topped off with fuel prior to departure and landed overweight driving the gear throught the wing.

 

[Huck]

Bet that's one f/o that's in the soupline now....

 

[P3-Adub]

Thanks for the info.

Yeah the F/O might be in the soup line but the captain will never get another Gulfstream job ! Oops ! Knock on wood.

 

[capnflyright]

A good remedy

We remedied this mistake by having one pilot pull the pins and place them on the steps. The other pilot counts them and puts them away.

 

[EAP]

Just remember guys the minute we think it can't happen to us is the minute we shouldn't get too cocky...

 

[LR25]

Having rituals on things like gearpins is great, but I bet it was somewhere on the checklist.

Im not knocking it, I,m just saying nobody can be to careful.

I hate to see a plane like that get trashed.

One question, Does a G-V not have fuel dump?

LR25

 

[flydog]

Yes it does.

If it didnt I would have flown to TEB with the gear down and saved the embarrasment and maybe stopped along the way as fuel burned off

 

[JetPilot500]

GIV's and GV's do not have fuel dumping. There are procedures for making over weight landings however. It woulda taken a real hard landing to drive the gear through the wing, even when overweight.

Good Luck to the crew of that flight,
Jetpilot500

 

[flydog]

NTSB Identification: MIA02LA060

Accident occurred Thursday, February 14, 2002 at West Palm Beach, FL
Aircraft:Gulfstream Aerospace G-V, registration: N777TY
Injuries: 2 Uninjured.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On February 14, 2002 about 0700 eastern standard time, a Gulfstream Aerospace G-V, N777TY, operated by BB Five Inc., as a Title 14 CFR Part 91 positioning flight landed hard at West Palm Beach International Airport, West Palm Beach, Florida. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and an IFR flight plan was filed. The airplane was substantially damaged. The airline transport rated-pilot and co-pilot reported no injuries. The flight was originating at the time en route to Teterboro, New Jersey.

According to the FAA the airplane had departed runway 27R. The pilot made radio contact with departure control and requested to return for landing because he was unable to retract the landing gear. The flight landed on runway 27R and according to witnesses the airplane landed hard, bounced high, shearing the right main landing gear aft and up through the wing.

 

[GVFlyer]

Guys, there is something else going on here. Landing the jet with the gear pins in is no different than landing it with them out. The Captain would not have had full fuel on board for a trip to TEB. West Palm to Teterboro would take about 7,000 lbs of fuel. Max fuel on the G-V is 41,300 lbs; about the most you can land with is 25,000 lbs if you want to tanker fuel. An overweight landing in the G-V is no big deal either. Max landing weight is 75,300 lbs, but I have landed it at 90,000 lbs. There is a g-meter on board and as long as you don't register more than 1.6 g's you don't have a problem. Once you get the 93'6" wing on the G-V into ground effect it is difficult to generate more than about a 300-400 foot per minute rate of descent. It does not take great pilot skills not to land hard.

About the only scenario I can think of that makes sense with the information presented is that there was a problem with the weight on wheels switch and the jet didn't make it into the air mode. In that configuration, if the ground spoilers were armed, when the auto-throttles came back to idle at 50' on approach, the airplane would have made all the conditions for ground spoiler deployment. That would generate a nasty rate of descent.

 

[Caveman]

I have a saying that I try to live by:

"Much better pilots than I have accidentaly landed with the gear up."

Translation: I am fully capable of commiting a dumb mistake and I'm not talented enough to ever forget that piloting an airplane is an exercise in extreme diligence. As the airplanes I'm privileged to fly get faster and bigger the more true this becomes.

I wasn't there so I don't know what happened. I do know this. It could happen to me. Hopefully, I'll learn from whatever mistakes were made by another less fortunate crew, if there were indeed any mistakes made at all.

 

[CL60]

Checklist?

GVFlyer,

Is there a checklist or other procedure for the situation you have theorized? (Malfunctioning WOW switch or "nutcracker" in Gulfstream jargon). Surely there must be provisions for something as overtly dangerous as this. Just curious...


Caveman,

Nicely stated. It can happen to any of us in the risk management, (flying), business. I too will be reading the final report when it is published.

Humility and eternal vigilance won't keep you completely safe however, they sure improve your odds.

 

[sidesaddle]

GV Accident

I think GVflyer is on to something with the possibility of ground spoiler deployment on short final. I heard that Gulfstream just came out with a maint. memo concerning the nutcracker and how it could be stuck in the ground mode while in the air. If the nutcracker was, then all of the conditions would be met for spoiler deployment as power levers(auto throttles) hit the hard stops.