Gulfstream international ?

[geojet707]

Good Luck with GIA

Does anyone know if Gulfstream International Airlines hires First Officers and or Captains off the street for permanent positions or do you have to attend their Gulfstream / ATP Academy to be considered for employment?

If they do hire off the street pilots how is the QOL at the airline in either their southern operation or northern operations. Schedules?, average time off per month? etc......

Thanks for the info in advance

They SUCK! I was hired as a street Capt. Its like the 13th grade. You have to wear the entire uniform to class from day one. The ground schools (INDOC and systems) are a joke. I decided to take another opportunity while in training but I ran into one of the guys in my class and he said QOL sucks as well. Good luck to all who try!

 

[hockeypilot44]

Whatever happened to the Russian guy that used to post on here all the time about how great Gulfstream is?

 

[PCL_128]

Whatever happened to the Russian guy that used to post on here all the time about how great Gulfstream is?

He's on strike at Amerijet right now.

 

[andyd]

All jokes aside from GIA haters and those who don't have a clue what it's like to work there: QOL is pretty good in comparison to other BE1900 operators. Home nearly everynight, usually work 4-5 on and 3-4 off, varies with the line and if you're a blockholder. They never hire street FO's, ALL FO's go through the program...and despite what former disgruntled folks may say about thier training program, I found it second to none in quality and the systems portion by Rocco is superb. Street Captains are only hired as a last resort when projected manning and lack of future projected upgrades of FO's requires street captains. However as a street captain you can expect to be on reserve nearly the entire time you are there, it's not bad at all if you have a good relationship with scheduling and live in base...that is key. You go there with the idea of building 121pic time as fast as possible and moving on. It is an incredibly great flying experience and if you have the right attitude and expectations then it is also a FUN time as well. Who doesn't like to do a visual to Key West 27, crankin it around the Boca Chica chanel to stay out of Navy's airspace...or being the last ones in and out of Nassau before the feeder bands of the hurricane come in, landing sideways pounding it on, doing a 10 minute turn and the airport shuts down as you rotate. If you want REAL experience and a great environment to build your 121pic decision making skills GIA is the place for you. If you want to bitch about everything, expect everything to be perfect, expect your FO's to all be CA material from day 1, expect to fly with NO mel's and expect management, the union or dispatch to hold your hand then this is NOT the place for you. There were plenty of days when I didn't want to be flying, po'd at maintenance or management...but I sucked it up, got my time and got out. Even while I was on rsv I never had less than 100 hours per month, with alot of that being ot. For a small operator the contract is decent and the work rules are better than most other places, including DAL. Personally I don't think you will see hiring at the majors until late 2011. When the window of hiring does open up it will be for a short amount of time...12-18 months. Do you want to be one of 10,000's of guys with all RJ time chasing the same 500-1000 jobs? When I was picked up at DAL there were over 12,000 resume's on file that met the mins. You need to to something to make yourself stand out, widen your horizens and your flying and work experience. Sitting in an RJ, flying the line and doing nothing outside the box is not going to make your resume stand out from the others. If GIA isn't your cup of tea then do something else. If your still an FO wasting away in an RJ, hoping to upgrade in a year or so....you WILL miss out on the next hiring cycle and if you do then you can count on a 10 year career at a regional before the next hiring cycle. Think ahead, do something different....Check airman, management, asian or african flying, alaska bush pilot, military...SOMETHING to set yourself apart from the other 20,000 CRJ drivers with the identical resume'. For those of you without a BA....forget about it. And don't waste your money with "online" colleges, the degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on. DAL has a list of colleges and university's they will accept degrees from, and not a single one of them is an "online" university. I have had an incredible amount of luck in my career to date, and my timing has been just right...again, through no brilliance on my part...just luck and in the right place at the right time (like flying the DAL CEO to his island retreat). I could very well be one of the guys still stuck at PCL...but I took a calculated risk and stepped OUT of my comfort zone and left when the leaving was good.

Is YOUR comfort zone helping or hurting your career and goals? It is for YOU to decide.

 

[PCL_128]

and the work rules are better than most other places, including DAL.

I stopped reading when I got to this nonsense. How much is Pinto paying you to regurgitate this line of crap?

 

[Long Time Gone]

..and despite what former disgruntled folks may say about thier training program, I found it second to none in quality..........

I loved this part. It's amazing that the training program at GIA tops that of DAL. What a way to show true respect to your current employer.It's too bad that your college degree didn't teach you how to spell "their". You must have gotten it online, huh?

 

[CA1900]

... it's not bad at all if you have a good relationship with scheduling...

...the work rules are better than most other places...

Those two statements completely contradict each other. If you had good work rules, you wouldn't need a "good relationship with scheduling," and things would still be a lot better than "not bad."

 

[PBRstreetgang]

All jokes aside from GIA haters and those who don't have a clue what it's like to work there: QOL is pretty good in comparison to other BE1900 operators. Home nearly everynight, usually work 4-5 on and 3-4 off, varies with the line and if you're a blockholder. They never hire street FO's, ALL FO's go through the program...and despite what former disgruntled folks may say about thier training program, I found it second to none in quality and the systems portion by Rocco is superb. Street Captains are only hired as a last resort when projected manning and lack of future projected upgrades of FO's requires street captains. However as a street captain you can expect to be on reserve nearly the entire time you are there, it's not bad at all if you have a good relationship with scheduling and live in base...that is key. You go there with the idea of building 121pic time as fast as possible and moving on. It is an incredibly great flying experience and if you have the right attitude and expectations then it is also a FUN time as well. Who doesn't like to do a visual to Key West 27, crankin it around the Boca Chica chanel to stay out of Navy's airspace...or being the last ones in and out of Nassau before the feeder bands of the hurricane come in, landing sideways pounding it on, doing a 10 minute turn and the airport shuts down as you rotate. If you want REAL experience and a great environment to build your 121pic decision making skills GIA is the place for you. If you want to bitch about everything, expect everything to be perfect, expect your FO's to all be CA material from day 1, expect to fly with NO mel's and expect management, the union or dispatch to hold your hand then this is NOT the place for you. There were plenty of days when I didn't want to be flying, po'd at maintenance or management...but I sucked it up, got my time and got out. Even while I was on rsv I never had less than 100 hours per month, with alot of that being ot. For a small operator the contract is decent and the work rules are better than most other places, including DAL. Personally I don't think you will see hiring at the majors until late 2011. When the window of hiring does open up it will be for a short amount of time...12-18 months. Do you want to be one of 10,000's of guys with all RJ time chasing the same 500-1000 jobs? When I was picked up at DAL there were over 12,000 resume's on file that met the mins. You need to to something to make yourself stand out, widen your horizens and your flying and work experience. Sitting in an RJ, flying the line and doing nothing outside the box is not going to make your resume stand out from the others. If GIA isn't your cup of tea then do something else. If your still an FO wasting away in an RJ, hoping to upgrade in a year or so....you WILL miss out on the next hiring cycle and if you do then you can count on a 10 year career at a regional before the next hiring cycle. Think ahead, do something different....Check airman, management, asian or african flying, alaska bush pilot, military...SOMETHING to set yourself apart from the other 20,000 CRJ drivers with the identical resume'. For those of you without a BA....forget about it. And don't waste your money with "online" colleges, the degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on. DAL has a list of colleges and university's they will accept degrees from, and not a single one of them is an "online" university. I have had an incredible amount of luck in my career to date, and my timing has been just right...again, through no brilliance on my part...just luck and in the right place at the right time (like flying the DAL CEO to his island retreat). I could very well be one of the guys still stuck at PCL...but I took a calculated risk and stepped OUT of my comfort zone and left when the leaving was good.

Is YOUR comfort zone helping or hurting your career and goals? It is for YOU to decide.

Nothing like setting your goals low and finally meeting them!
"home every night", sweet! hows that refrigerator box condo workin' for you?
PCL128 used to be my favorite "aim low and miss" posterboy, you now have that honor!
Looser
eric

 

[andyd]

my referral to work rules was the 2x pay for ALL overtime, unlike DAL where as a reserve ot is paid at straight time unless it is a inverse assignment or a true greenslip for a lineholder. GIA also has a 4.0hr min, DAL's is 3.25, also the trip and duty rigs are better at GIA. My definition of a "good working relationship" with scheduling means answering the phone on my days off, speaking to them with respect rather than animosity. I have the utmost admiration and respect for DAL, I LOVE working there...bar none, it is the best job I've ever had. Is there room for improvement in the contract sure, do other companies have areas in their contract that is better than ours...YES. I was simply pointing out the positives of working at GIA rather than accentuate the negative...that is far too easy to do no matter where you work.

As for the training at GIA I stand by my first statement. The AQP program at DAL and ANY carrier for that matter is a complete joke when it comes to training systems...there is NONE! You study an interactive cdrom and take a 100 question multiple guess test (that they give you the questions/answers to BEFORE taking the test). There is no oral, unless you are checking out in the 777.

How about you guy's look past my spelling errors and your hate and vitrol in regards to GIA and think about what I said about career planning and progression for just a second? And no, I didn't get my degree online. I am a 1990 graduate of Washington State University, 3.0gpa (not great but not retarded either) I don't use spell check on here and you know, being human and all...make a mistake once in a while like everyone else....lighten up francis.

Try and look at the good side of things for a change, accuentuate the positive and smile when you don't feel like it...you just MIGHT be a happier person.

 

[andyd]

Nothing like setting your goals low and finally meeting them!
"home every night", sweet! hows that refrigerator box condo workin' for you?
PCL128 used to be my favorite "aim low and miss" posterboy, you now have that honor!
Looser
eric

eric,

If I aimed low and missed......please explain how I was at GIA for 10 months and ended up at the worlds largest airline on an international widebody making $104/hr on yr 3 pay? Doesn't seem like loosing in my book....Jeoulous Eric?

Andy