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..and despite what former disgruntled folks may say about thier training program, I found it second to none in quality..........

I loved this part. It's amazing that the training program at GIA tops that of DAL. What a way to show true respect to your current employer.It's too bad that your college degree didn't teach you how to spell "their". You must have gotten it online, huh?
 
... it's not bad at all if you have a good relationship with scheduling...

...the work rules are better than most other places...

Those two statements completely contradict each other. If you had good work rules, you wouldn't need a "good relationship with scheduling," and things would still be a lot better than "not bad."
 
All jokes aside from GIA haters and those who don't have a clue what it's like to work there: QOL is pretty good in comparison to other BE1900 operators. Home nearly everynight, usually work 4-5 on and 3-4 off, varies with the line and if you're a blockholder. They never hire street FO's, ALL FO's go through the program...and despite what former disgruntled folks may say about thier training program, I found it second to none in quality and the systems portion by Rocco is superb. Street Captains are only hired as a last resort when projected manning and lack of future projected upgrades of FO's requires street captains. However as a street captain you can expect to be on reserve nearly the entire time you are there, it's not bad at all if you have a good relationship with scheduling and live in base...that is key. You go there with the idea of building 121pic time as fast as possible and moving on. It is an incredibly great flying experience and if you have the right attitude and expectations then it is also a FUN time as well. Who doesn't like to do a visual to Key West 27, crankin it around the Boca Chica chanel to stay out of Navy's airspace...or being the last ones in and out of Nassau before the feeder bands of the hurricane come in, landing sideways pounding it on, doing a 10 minute turn and the airport shuts down as you rotate. If you want REAL experience and a great environment to build your 121pic decision making skills GIA is the place for you. If you want to bitch about everything, expect everything to be perfect, expect your FO's to all be CA material from day 1, expect to fly with NO mel's and expect management, the union or dispatch to hold your hand then this is NOT the place for you. There were plenty of days when I didn't want to be flying, po'd at maintenance or management...but I sucked it up, got my time and got out. Even while I was on rsv I never had less than 100 hours per month, with alot of that being ot. For a small operator the contract is decent and the work rules are better than most other places, including DAL. Personally I don't think you will see hiring at the majors until late 2011. When the window of hiring does open up it will be for a short amount of time...12-18 months. Do you want to be one of 10,000's of guys with all RJ time chasing the same 500-1000 jobs? When I was picked up at DAL there were over 12,000 resume's on file that met the mins. You need to to something to make yourself stand out, widen your horizens and your flying and work experience. Sitting in an RJ, flying the line and doing nothing outside the box is not going to make your resume stand out from the others. If GIA isn't your cup of tea then do something else. If your still an FO wasting away in an RJ, hoping to upgrade in a year or so....you WILL miss out on the next hiring cycle and if you do then you can count on a 10 year career at a regional before the next hiring cycle. Think ahead, do something different....Check airman, management, asian or african flying, alaska bush pilot, military...SOMETHING to set yourself apart from the other 20,000 CRJ drivers with the identical resume'. For those of you without a BA....forget about it. And don't waste your money with "online" colleges, the degrees aren't worth the paper they are printed on. DAL has a list of colleges and university's they will accept degrees from, and not a single one of them is an "online" university. I have had an incredible amount of luck in my career to date, and my timing has been just right...again, through no brilliance on my part...just luck and in the right place at the right time (like flying the DAL CEO to his island retreat). I could very well be one of the guys still stuck at PCL...but I took a calculated risk and stepped OUT of my comfort zone and left when the leaving was good.

Is YOUR comfort zone helping or hurting your career and goals? It is for YOU to decide.
Nothing like setting your goals low and finally meeting them!
"home every night", sweet! hows that refrigerator box condo workin' for you?
PCL128 used to be my favorite "aim low and miss" posterboy, you now have that honor!
Looser
eric
 
my referral to work rules was the 2x pay for ALL overtime, unlike DAL where as a reserve ot is paid at straight time unless it is a inverse assignment or a true greenslip for a lineholder. GIA also has a 4.0hr min, DAL's is 3.25, also the trip and duty rigs are better at GIA. My definition of a "good working relationship" with scheduling means answering the phone on my days off, speaking to them with respect rather than animosity. I have the utmost admiration and respect for DAL, I LOVE working there...bar none, it is the best job I've ever had. Is there room for improvement in the contract sure, do other companies have areas in their contract that is better than ours...YES. I was simply pointing out the positives of working at GIA rather than accentuate the negative...that is far too easy to do no matter where you work.

As for the training at GIA I stand by my first statement. The AQP program at DAL and ANY carrier for that matter is a complete joke when it comes to training systems...there is NONE! You study an interactive cdrom and take a 100 question multiple guess test (that they give you the questions/answers to BEFORE taking the test). There is no oral, unless you are checking out in the 777.

How about you guy's look past my spelling errors and your hate and vitrol in regards to GIA and think about what I said about career planning and progression for just a second? And no, I didn't get my degree online. I am a 1990 graduate of Washington State University, 3.0gpa (not great but not retarded either) I don't use spell check on here and you know, being human and all...make a mistake once in a while like everyone else....lighten up francis.

Try and look at the good side of things for a change, accuentuate the positive and smile when you don't feel like it...you just MIGHT be a happier person.
 
Nothing like setting your goals low and finally meeting them!
"home every night", sweet! hows that refrigerator box condo workin' for you?
PCL128 used to be my favorite "aim low and miss" posterboy, you now have that honor!
Looser
eric


eric,

If I aimed low and missed......please explain how I was at GIA for 10 months and ended up at the worlds largest airline on an international widebody making $104/hr on yr 3 pay? Doesn't seem like loosing in my book....Jeoulous Eric?

Andy
 
my referral to work rules was the 2x pay for ALL overtime, unlike DAL where as a reserve ot is paid at straight time unless it is a inverse assignment or a true greenslip for a lineholder. GIA also has a 4.0hr min, DAL's is 3.25, also the trip and duty rigs are better at GIA. My definition of a "good working relationship" with scheduling means answering the phone on my days off, speaking to them with respect rather than animosity. I have the utmost admiration and respect for DAL, I LOVE working there...bar none, it is the best job I've ever had. Is there room for improvement in the contract sure, do other companies have areas in their contract that is better than ours...YES. I was simply pointing out the positives of working at GIA rather than accentuate the negative...that is far too easy to do no matter where you work.

As for the training at GIA I stand by my first statement. The AQP program at DAL and ANY carrier for that matter is a complete joke when it comes to training systems...there is NONE! You study an interactive cdrom and take a 100 question multiple guess test (that they give you the questions/answers to BEFORE taking the test). There is no oral, unless you are checking out in the 777.

How about you guy's look past my spelling errors and your hate and vitrol in regards to GIA and think about what I said about career planning and progression for just a second? And no, I didn't get my degree online. I am a 1990 graduate of Washington State University, 3.0gpa (not great but not retarded either) I don't use spell check on here and you know, being human and all...make a mistake once in a while like everyone else....lighten up francis.

Try and look at the good side of things for a change, accuentuate the positive and smile when you don't feel like it...you just MIGHT be a happier person.

Thank you, Yoda, for gracing us little guys with your mighty presence. Once I got past the Gulfstream informercial, I had to listen to your worldly advice about 'wasting away in an RJ.' Lemme guess- shooting the visual into Nairobi after a low pass to chase a couple of mating wildebeests off the runway is somehow superior on a resume to six legs in and out of LGA in bad weather? And all this time I thought majors were looking for 'real world' experience. My bad. How you fit your head through a cockpit door baffles me. Captains must avoid you like the friggin' plague.

Truth is, you have NO IDEA when the next hiring cycle will be, for how long, or who will be chosen over another- and why. If you think you were lucky in your career, then shut up and count your blessings- and don't impart your 'superior knowledge' on us regional pukes. Knowing I may end up at a major and have to fly a 4-day with someone like you makes me seriously consider staying in the minors. Go back to the Majors section- and stay there. If us 'little guys' decide that we need your omnipotent guidance (don't hold your breath), we'll know where to find you.
 
eric,

If I aimed low and missed......please explain how I was at GIA for 10 months and ended up at the worlds largest airline on an international widebody making $104/hr on yr 3 pay? Doesn't seem like loosing in my book....Jeoulous Eric?

Andy


Big Clock Little C*ck alert!
 
eric,

If I aimed low and missed......please explain how I was at GIA for 10 months and ended up at the worlds largest airline on an international widebody making $104/hr on yr 3 pay? Doesn't seem like loosing in my book....Jeoulous Eric?

Andy
Not in the least, I stand by my statement. Anybody who thinks that stepping to the front of line, via checkbook is ok, is pathetic! You think I am "stuck" where I am? I can do any number of things for work and be perfectly happy, I paid my dues in all of them, the hard way, by working my way up from the bottom. So you go ahead and take your $104.00hr and spend it like there is no tomorrow, because there isn't gonna be. Your pay is coming down to our level, just wait till mother DAL figgers out a way to do it, you will strike and be unemployed while GIA grads and alumnus along with Phojeters flock to DAL to get the "new" jobs your strike created.Your job is safe from me though, the only way I would cross a picket line is in a lifted F250 using scabs for traction, and then I would back up for a few more.
PBR
 
Not in the least, I stand by my statement. Anybody who thinks that stepping to the front of line, via checkbook is ok, is pathetic



Ok, Why don't you ask the guys and gals at ASA,Comair, and eagle that PFT back in the 90's.
Again I stand by my statement, PFT is pathetic and actually it is the same mentality that has destroyed this industry for the employees. It doesn't matter who the PFT, is they all suck, GIA is just a lightening rod these days.
PBR
 
The original question that opened this thread was about hiring of street captains and what he could expect if he went there as a street captain...there was NO mention of PFT until you brought it up. So are all the guys that went to Commutair, Colgan, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Mesa and GOJets lumped in with the PFT'ers in your book as well? During the last hiring boom all of the above, in addition to GIA hired street captains. How is accepting a job as a street captain in some way cheating the system or not paying your dues? I think that's pretty self limiting and short sighted to say the least. So, should the FO at Eagle stay there for a 9 or 10 year upgrade (Comair now too is in that ballpark).....and "pay thier dues", wait to upgrade and potentially miss a hiring cycle, thus costing themselves untold 100's of thousands of dollars in lost earnings potential......or should they cut bait and take a street captains job someplace and enhance thier career? Only a fool would keep the blinders on and NOT consider it. In a nutshell I was simply saying that since there is 1 job for every 10-20 guys applying...it only makes sense to do whatever it takes to try and better yourself and market yourself as best as possible. I was not trying to talk down to anyone or rub anyones nose in anything. A question was asked, I answered it with MY opinion. If you don't like it, then tuff cookies...don't read it!!! The nicest thing about advice is you don't have to take it. But maybe someone on here with an open mind will take the advice and I hope they are competing for the same job as you someday...I'd rather not share a cockpit with a closeminded simpleton like you anyways. Tell you what, you ever get hired at DAL...pm me and I'll give you my employee number so you can put me on your no fly list as a Captain.

Peace out.....
 
The original question that opened this thread was about hiring of street captains and what he could expect if he went there as a street captain...there was NO mention of PFT until you brought it up. So are all the guys that went to Commutair, Colgan, Mesaba, Pinnacle, Mesa and GOJets lumped in with the PFT'ers in your book as well? During the last hiring boom all of the above, in addition to GIA hired street captains. How is accepting a job as a street captain in some way cheating the system or not paying your dues? I think that's pretty self limiting and short sighted to say the least. So, should the FO at Eagle stay there for a 9 or 10 year upgrade (Comair now too is in that ballpark).....and "pay thier dues", wait to upgrade and potentially miss a hiring cycle, thus costing themselves untold 100's of thousands of dollars in lost earnings potential......or should they cut bait and take a street captains job someplace and enhance thier career? Only a fool would keep the blinders on and NOT consider it. In a nutshell I was simply saying that since there is 1 job for every 10-20 guys applying...it only makes sense to do whatever it takes to try and better yourself and market yourself as best as possible. I was not trying to talk down to anyone or rub anyones nose in anything. A question was asked, I answered it with MY opinion. If you don't like it, then tuff cookies...don't read it!!! The nicest thing about advice is you don't have to take it. But maybe someone on here with an open mind will take the advice and I hope they are competing for the same job as you someday...I'd rather not share a cockpit with a closeminded simpleton like you anyways. Tell you what, you ever get hired at DAL...pm me and I'll give you my employee number so you can put me on your no fly list as a Captain.

Peace out.....
You just don't get it! That's ok, you will never see the left seat of a DAL A/C as the commander, when mother D gets done with their side of the industry you will be swinging some Comair or Peeknuckle's landing gear lever or worse working the drivethrough at Wendy's. You left Peeknuckle because the upgrade wasn't fast enuff, thats ok, at least you missed out on the 410club, you didn't miss much learning either, because you already know it all, because you are a mother D duckling. BTW I won't be joining your seniority list, no desire to look like a Panamanian doorman or Ugandan U-boat commander.
Good luck, give genny lee a hug!
PBR
 
Again I stand by my statement, PFT is pathetic and actually it is the same mentality that has destroyed this industry for the employees. It doesn't matter who the PFT, is they all suck, GIA is just a lightening rod these days.
PBR

You are 100% right. How will the wages ever come up above a grocery clerk when morons are paying for their jobs. The companies are laughing how stupid pilots are. I will give $18,000 for my job to make $19,000/year, good investment.
 

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