Gulfstream International Airlines

[CRJDog]

Um I checked with those guys a few years back and they did NOT allow their guys that were going through the 250 program jumpseat any where!!! Not even on gulfstream flights. Their Company ID's have a big red stamp on it that says Jump Seat Not Authorized.

So whats the big fu*kin deal Wil!?! You will not see them asking for a seat on your plane any way, how would they get past the gate with the big red stamp?


Cheers "Doog"

That is not entirely true. They can jumpseat on Gulfstream flights but not other carriers.

 

[350DRIVER]

That is not entirely true. They can jumpseat on Gulfstream flights but not other carriers.

Ok...

Can James Traficant beam me up on this one?!? These guys even though they have bought the seat are still considered part 121 first officers that are flying for CO Connection so why would they not be able or be authorized to j/s on other carriers that they are on the list with?.

This makes very little sense if any since in reality they are 121 first officers who are flying the line..

anyone?

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I am with wil on this one, this insanity certainly brings the industry down. I can't say that I am against what he does. More power to him

 

[Palerider957]

Slightly off topic, but with KEYW as the junior base, how do you people afford to live there?


I love Key West, but I can't imagine what the cost of living is.

 

[B190Captain]

Ok...

Can James Traficant beam me up on this one?!? These guys even though they have bought the seat are still considered part 121 first officers that are flying for CO Connection so why would they not be able or be authorized to j/s on other carriers that they are on the list with?.

This makes very little sense if any since in reality they are 121 first officers who are flying the line..

anyone?

3 5 0

I am with wil on this one, this insanity certainly brings the industry down. I can't say that I am against what he does. More power to him

Well 350,

The reason why is that in the past there was little education on how to jumpseat. This resulted in pissing several major carriers off and we were at risk of losing the agreements. So steps were taken to make sure these problems were never to happen again. The js education was not very consistent due to the fact that we kept losing JS coordinators. We eliminated the jumpseat for GIA "probationaries" as we called them and kept the permanent seniority pilots on the jumpseat. Hopefully by the time they became permanent they would have been a little more educated on how to jumpseat.

That is why it was done. They could still JS on GIA flights but no other.

 

[350DRIVER]

Well 350,

The reason why is that in the past there was little education on how to jumpseat. This resulted in pissing several major carriers off and we were at risk of losing the agreements. So steps were taken to make sure these problems were never to happen again. The js education was not very consistent due to the fact that we kept losing JS coordinators. We eliminated the jumpseat for GIA "probationaries" as we called them and kept the permanent seniority pilots on the jumpseat. Hopefully by the time they became permanent they would have been a little more educated on how to jumpseat.

That is why it was done. They could still JS on GIA flights but no other.

B190Captain,

Thanks for the information, was just curious on the "why" behind it..

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[cornbread]

back when all the crewmembers could jumpseat (even the "students") two 250-hour guys (dutch students) got into a argument about which one was supposed to get the js while in the cockpit of some other carrier. as a result bad mo-jo was sent to GIA. thus, no js for 250-hour guys.

 

[B190Captain]

back when all the crewmembers could jumpseat (even the "students") two 250-hour guys (dutch students) got into a argument about which one was supposed to get the js while in the cockpit of some other carrier. as a result bad mo-jo was sent to GIA. thus, no js for 250-hour guys.

There was another occurrence when the crew of a major carrier was advised they would have a jumpseater. Just prior to pushback the captain asked where was the jumpseater. He held the push a couple minutes later to discover the GIA numbnuts was already seated in first class, in uniform drinking a beer.

 

[cornbread]

There was another occurrence when the crew of a major carrier was advised they would have a jumpseater. Just prior to pushback the captain asked where was the jumpseater. He held the push a couple minutes later to discover the GIA numbnuts was already seated in first class, in uniform drinking a beer.

I think that is lore. I never heard that. Don't promote urban legends.

 

[B190Captain]

I think that is lore. I never heard that. Don't promote urban legends.

Well I remember that being discussed in the Miami Training classroom when the issue was being discussed. Hmm Cornbread, are the first 4 letters of your handle the same as your last name? No pun intended, but I have a hunch on who you are. But maybe I am wrong. Do you date that far back at GIA?

 

[cornbread]

I don't date back that far, but I am nearly certain I know you. Good luck on your new venture. I know you guys are happy to get out of there. Sounds like a good move to me. Now I know your cogs are spinning. hee hee

 

[wil]

I stand corrected. I was not aware of your policy with the students. I did not mean to sound like an a-hole. I do not agree with your company practices but please accept my apology and, welcome aboard. Cheers, Wil

 

[bobbysamd]

Gulfstream

I am a current Captain for Gulfstream and I am not ashamed in the least . . . . [T]he way the program works is that the guys do pay for 250 hours as a FO in the right seat and when their time is up, they can get hired at Gulfstream permanitly if they are hiring, or have an option of an interview at some other regional airlines. The FO's we hire here then upgrade to Captain when they get thier time and thier senority number comes up. This is where we get 95% of our Captains.

Good post. I mean it sincerely. I am staunchly against P-F-T or any other pay-for-job scheme, but your comments helped to offset the primarily one-sided P-F-T discussions we have on this board.

Just a couple of questions: How many Gulfstream P-F-Ters does the airline actually hire full-time after they fly off their 250? The impression gained is the majority are sent off to Pinnacle or others - which gives the impression that once you fly off your 250 Gulfstream is no longer interested in you. Of the number of P-F-Ters actually hired, how many actually upgrade to captain? Somehow, it would seem not many if Gulfstream still needs street captains.

Once again, thanks for posting.

 

[sejac]

I am glad to hear that people are actually starting to understand the way this program works as it seems there are alot of mysteries to it.

As in alot of small companies, there is alot of crisis management at Gulfstream. After 9-11, not to much hiring went on at all. There were a couple of rounds of hiring for FO's, however people still came for the FO program because there were many opportunities at Pinnacle. Now we have had alot of movement of Captain's elsewhere, so they are short FO's to upgrade. They began hiring FO's again at a high rate. They have just done 2 or 3 classes of 5-6 with more planned. The problem is that most of these FO's don't quite meet minimums for Captian and want more time in the airplane before they move to the left seat. Also, for various reason some of the FO's who are elligable have passed it up for one reason or the other. PSA also took some of our FO's who the company thought would upgrade but decided to leave. This is why they are in a position to hire off the street Captains. They did it several times before.

The bottom line now is that there are more people comming to this program now than ever before because there are such good chances of getting hired somewhere when you finish the 250. I understand why alot of people don't like this kind of program but it works for alot of people and it is definatly here to stay for the time being.

One more myth I would like to bust is the fact that these FO's just throw the flaps and gear all day and do nothing else. THIS IS NOT TRUE! We trade legs back and forth every day just as in any airline. Some captain's here actually let the FO's fly as many legs as they want because they know that their time might be limited at Gulfstream. Plus this airplane has no autopilot and it gets very tiring to fly all of the legs all day. I agree that you should flight instruct before you do this program. I instructed before I did it and still do ocassionally. However, by the time these FO's get between 100 and 200 hours in the airplane, there skills are very very good. Once again, there are a few that are exception to this. This program teaches the FO's the skills to be a 121 pilot plain and simple. They get training here that you just can't get as a flight instructor. Training that will really help make thier life MUCH easier at their next airline job. Once again, I do believe that flight instructing will help them before they come here with just plain flying skills as well and I would reccomend that to anyone before comming here.

I really appreciate people taking the time to read this thread and hopefully understand a little bit about what Guflstream is about. This is the first one I have seen where it has not been completely bashed.

 

[bobbysamd]

Gulfstream

I am glad to hear that people are actually starting to understand the way this program works as it seems there are alot of mysteries to it . . . . One more myth I would like to bust is the fact that these FO's just throw the flaps and gear all day and do nothing else. THIS IS NOT TRUE! We trade legs back and forth every day just as in any airline. Some captain's here actually let the FO's fly as many legs as they want because they know that their time might be limited at Gulfstream . . . . I really appreciate people taking the time to read this thread and hopefully understand a little bit about what Guflstream is about. This is the first one I have seen where it has not been completely bashed.

I will never support P-F-T, but it's good to receive input from all sides of the issue. Undoubtedly, there are plenty of forum members and guests who never post but who simply want information and opinions. There are anti-P-F-T factions and pro-P-F-T factions, plenty of opinion but little information. Your information undoubtedly will help people trying to learn more and makes for a balanced discussion.

I, for one, believe that friends don't let friends P-F-T, but I appreciate your comments and information. Thanks again.

 

[328dude]

Sejac stated that they are allowed to fly up to 120 hours a month.

If they are Part 121, did I miss something. I thought 100 was the the max under 121.

Still looking. Excuse my ignorance for lack of regs if you can do this.