Gulfstream Academy Webcam

[bobbysamd]

Mapd

when i said i read your quick bio it was the thing that said your total time and stuff on the screen i had no interest of looking for someones life story.

Perhaps you should try to review all facts before shooting off your keyboard. In any event, I answered your question.

the mesa pace program is a training program that is geared toward the mesa way of flying with an interview at the end of it. so paying for an interview is different.

You did not address PACE above. Yes, PACE is different. Don't forget to include Mesa's ATP program. Both should be distinguished from MAPD, which, again, is a 141 flight school. Both PACE and the ATP program are pay-for-interview, and are similarly noxious - in their own way, more noxious than P-F-T. Especially the ATP program, because, by definition, and assuming those folks have enough multi, they already qualify for many, if not most, regional airlines, rendering any need for P-F-T or pay-for-interview unneccessary. Unless this bunch falls into the category of those so desperate for an airline job that they will lower themselves to buying one.

what about going to mesa and instructing for a year so you can get an interview. are you telling me that people chose to go to mapd because its such a great school and farmington is such a fun place to live? or do you think it had something to do with the interview to fly a crj with only a few hundred hours because you gave them a bunch of money to train them?

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I don't quite understand the last sentence. Are you saying that MAPD instructors gave Mesa Airlines money to train their students?? I . . don't . . think . . so. In any event, instructors do not pay for their training at MAPD.

Once again, having been an MAPD flight instructor, it is still employment. I can absolutely vouch for that, in spades. I still have some of my payroll records from MAPD.

Unlike most other flight schools, MAPD does not have a CFI program in its syllabus. It hires all CFIs from the outside. No, I did not care to live in Farmington and I cared not one bit for the company, but that was me. And, yes, being eligible to interview for a Mesa Airlines FO job is a major draw about the place. But, once more, Mesa does not guarantee either interviews or FO jobs to (1) MAPD grads and (2) MAPD instructors.

 

[stuart716]

before you get into ground school at gulfstream you have to pass a sim ride and if you dont then you dont get in the class. and for another thing im not shooting off at the keyboard, i am in clt using dial up and its a hell of a lot easier to just ask a question as opposed to waiting for a page to load. when i looked at trying to instruct at mapd they said if i instructed for a year i get an interview with the airline. plus i had low time instructing and they said that its not fair to hire someone outside of the school with low time when they have their own students waiting for jobs. i dont know the truth in it, but it sounds like it may have changed a little since you were there.

 

[bobbysamd]

before you get into ground school at gulfstream you have to pass a sim ride and if you dont then you dont get in the class.

. . . but Gulfstream will train you, and keep training you, and charge you, until you can pass the sim ride, as set forth on this page.

when i looked at trying to instruct at mapd they said if i instructed for a year i get an interview with the airline. plus i had low time instructing and they said that its not fair to hire someone outside of the school with low time when they have their own students waiting for jobs. i dont know the truth in it, but it sounds like it may have changed a little since you were there.

I do not remember MAPD instructors having to meet any particular mins to be interviewed and hired. These days, according to the MAPD instructor hiring page, you have to instruct at MAPD for a year and meet standard Mesa hiring mins of 1000-100.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Ha!

I hope a hundred rich wankers with a few thousand bucks and Southwest dreams keep your little PFT a$$es out of those left seats for the next century.

Shoe's on the other foot, cucaracha.

 

[350DRIVER]

bobby

readying your quick bio it says that you arent even in this profession. did you ever work for an airline or 135 op? or do instruct on the side? gulfstream is a good program for people trying to get some experience quickly. what about southwest requiring a 737 type before you finish ground school? as far as i know they dont pay you back for it. what about places like mesa pilot development? go to a certain school because they are owned by an airline that has prefernitial hiring of their own students. do you consider that pft?

He may have never made it to the airlines but atleast he will be shown the respect that he deserves for not whoring himself out, renting a seat out, etc, to "make it" to the airlines. "Making it" really isn't correct, "buying it" sounds much more fitting.

Sad that present day people can "buy" into a profession versus having to earn it as was the case once upon a time ago.

Mesa is as far from PFT as they come, that is like comparing a Mercedes to a Yugo.

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"Look daddy brother Mikey is now a "pilot" thanks to his daddy buying him the job."

 

[Lineup&wt]

no LORS

Since everyone is now a pro on what goes at GIA I've got one huge question. With my little experiance about what goes on in the aviation industry. Why is it at GIA the ones that are in training facilty are the ones that do the hiring I'm not sure I can name names but most of you know who I'm talking about (GIA website). You spend 2 months there. The rest of your time is spent on the line with the real part of the airline. Capts, Ops, chief pilot, DO. You spend that short 250 hours getting LOR's with the hope at the end of completion you get permanent hire. But the guys that make it happen have no idea what kind of pilot you are. Sure I know most interviews are like this but GIA is an exception. 3 LORS=shot at GIA, not hardly. I've heard guys walking in there with 5,6,7, LORS and laughed out of the exit interview. WHile a guy with 50 hours in the airplane gets hired 300TT and LOR'S can anyone explain the logic. Also don't pi$$ off the tough guy on the top of the website I heard he will screw you in the long run (Pinnacle,GIA and any other carriers that supposdley have interest in GIA.

 

[Lineup&wt]

Is this all hearsay or is there any truth behind it

 

[bobbysamd]

Post-Gulfstream P-F-T FO Hiring

I've heard guys walking in there with 5,6,7, LORS and laughed out of the exit interview. WHile a guy with 50 hours in the airplane gets hired 300TT and LOR'S can anyone explain the logic. Also don't pi$$ off the tough guy on the top of the website I heard he will screw you in the long run (Pinnacle,GIA and any other carriers that supposdley have interest in GIA.

Probably Stuart or Russian can answer either question. My only comment is, if true, this supports my repeated, cautionary messages about P-F-T's broken promises, disappointment, and fraud.

Once more, I suggest you run a search of Regional Airline Academy on the board.

 

[Lineup&wt]

Gulfstream guys,
I know the only way to get hired at GIA is to start off at a probationary level, except the Capt dilema that happened this summer immediatly to the left seat, one of you guys said that the permanents did not like the fact GIA started selling the Capt seats, because it bumps you down the list as far as upgrade completly understandable. What about the off the street Capts. any resentment. What about the guys that could'nt get hired as permanent hire, and decide to come back for the Capt. program because they realize that they can upgrade faster there than any where else, any resentment towards them.

 

[stuart716]

350

im not knocking bobby for any career decisions he made. hell i decided to be a pilot for an airline and i think it sucks. i was just asking if he worked for an airline. i dont know about the current hiring situation at gulfstream. i have been gone for a while now. i do disagree with the captain thing that is going on there. you have to remember that the street hire captains and the captain program people are on the bottom of the seniority list. all the fo's that dont meet the minimums to upgrade are going to keep these guys on the bottom of the list.