Gulfstream Academy Webcam

[jppt2000]

Three comments.

1. Someone else started this anti-Gulfstream thread. For a change, why don't you attack his/her comments? I see . . . .

2. Instead of debating my positions with something substantive, i.e., facts and information, you attack me personally. In other words, if you cannot attack the position, attack the person. You have launched into personal attacks of me three times now, the first in March, last week and this week. Last week, I asked you to back up your attacks. You countered by more personal attacks and then turned tail and ran. You are a coward.

3. Attack away, because I am not answering any more of your posts. You are not worth the time. But I will continue commenting on P-F-T.

Booby and associates,
Inspired from your Beatles posting last week.

3. Inspiring envy. [Obs. or Poetic]

He to him leapt, and that same envious gage Of
victor's glory from him snatched away. --Spenser.

Booby and friends, your threads are heavily laced with envy,
misery loves company.

 

[User546]

Whoa... Whoa... Whoa...

OK guys look! I started this thread, and it was merely to showcase the Gulfstream webcam and I added a simple remark to it.

I did NOT want this thread to turn into a war of words over whats right or wrong or whos qualified or not. Theres been enough threads on Gulfstream Academy so far that has made those feelings more then well known.

Lets get away from the insults and battering, and back to a little fun allright!

 

[User546]

And for the record, I was flying a Citation at 500 hours. Sometimes it's all about who you know. Now I'll be the first to admit I was a bit green when I first started flying it, but how could you not be with so little hours? I had a great Captain that I flew with, and over the past 200+ hours he's taught me more that he's experienced in his 14,000+ hours then I ever could've learned in my short time in the aviation world.

With a lot of hard work and familiarization, flying a jet isn't much different then any multi-engine I've ever flown. If anything, it's a lot less workload (as long as everything is going well!) and you just have to be a little bit further ahead of the game.

Lets not knock the "little" guys like myself that are carrying passengers with less then 1,000 hours.

 

[bobbysamd]

Of course not . . .

And for the record, I was flying a Citation at 500 hours. Sometimes it's all about who you know. Now I'll be the first to admit I was a bit green when I first started flying it, but how could you not be with so little hours . . . . With a lot of hard work and familiarization, flying a jet isn't much different then any multi-engine I've ever flown. If anything, it's a lot less workload (as long as everything is going well!) and you just have to be a little bit further ahead of the game.

Lets not knock the "little" guys like myself that are carrying passengers with less then 1,000 hours.

MAPDers do it. European airlines, e.g. Lufthansa, Alitalia, Air Inter, do it. Asian airlines, e.g., JAL, JAS, Asiana, do it. I don't think anyone is really saying Gulfstream is unsafe; I am not. The P-F-Ters still have to take a 121 checkride. The sole issue is how they got the "job," and I, for one, don't care for it. No job is worth buying.

 

[User546]

Ok... a little clarification. In NO WAY am I supporting Gulfstream and PFT!
PFT is WRONG... and I share the opinion with most everyone else that it demeans the profession, and all they're doing is wanting the easy way in to a job.

The remark I made about flying the Citation was in no way an endorsement of PFT. I did not BUY my job in the Citation. I went the route that everyone else went, and just got a lucky break earlier then most.

All I was referencing was about an earlier poster who said that its unsafe to fly passengers under a 1000 total hours.

 

[pilotmyf]

joeg252
"Why don't people just flight instruct to build up enough time to go to a regional, and not just simply pay for a right seat position in a Beech 1900. I don't think anyone under at least 1,000 hours belongs on an aircraft carrying paxs., unless your Gods gift to aviation. I really enjoy flight instructing and get satisfaction from it when I put someone up for there chekride and they pass. Yeah its scary when a private student puts you in a cross controlled stall 300ft. above the deck, but it builds character(LOL). I would'nt trade for the world, I know my time will come when I get to sit in something that burns Jet A, but for now I'll wait my time out flight instructing"






Haven't been instructing that long, EH?---Why shouldn't anyone under 1000 hours be in the right seat 0f a 1900?,and Why are you letting students get you into cross controlled stalls at 300 ft--keep it up and you won't be instructing too much longer.

 

[IP076]

I Love it.....1000 hours min to fly passengers....do you tell you students not to take their parents or friends flying?

As Bobby said it, many airlines are doing it, and doing it safely. Do I think 1000 hours of CFI time will make you a better pilot, yeah, I think it does, but that doesn't mean you can't be taught to safely operate a high performance jet aircraft at 200 hours.

Do you realize how often we rely on professional pilots with less than 1000 hours? How many hours does a F/A 18 driver have when they reach a squadron on a carrier? How many hours does that Herk Co-Pilot have when they're doing parachute drops over hostile territory?

 

[Cosmo1999]

why do they have tableclothes on the tables?

Also could be to prevent people from seeing the massive excitement going on in their pants that they probably get from putting on the uniform and hat from the leftover $5 from that big check they wrote

 

[rumpletumbler]

There is almost $300,000 on cam right now.

 

[de727ups]

"Do you realize how often we rely on professional pilots with less than 1000 hours? How many hours does a F/A 18 driver have when they reach a squadron on a carrier? How many hours does that Herk Co-Pilot have when they're doing parachute drops over hostile territory?"

So are you trying to compare military training to TAB express training?

Military takes the the best canidates and many wash out. TAB express takes anyone who can write the check.

I don't care if it's MAPD or TAB express. Getting a 300 hour pilot through airline training is one thing. Having that person be an equal asset to a new F/O that has more experience is another. It's easy to sit back and say..."they both passed a FAA checkride, they are legal, the are safe". Yeah...they are legal. But do they have the background to be in that seat? Not in my opinion...not at 300 hours. I've never gone through MAPD nor flown with anyone who has. My opinion is only based on having gone through 121 F/O training for two different jets....300 hour pilots shouldn't be there.

 

[IP076]

So are you trying to compare military training to TAB express training?

Military takes the the best canidates and many wash out. TAB express takes anyone who can write the check.

Actually no where in my post did I say anything about training at Tab...I'm with most everyone else and wish they would walk take a long walk off a short pier.

I was just using it as an example that there are competent, professional pilots with less than 1000 hours. I've mentioned in another thread about the difference between Military Entry requirements and the check book theory, I agree with you there. I was just pointing out that it is "possible".

 

[X.m.i.s.f.i.t.X]

Why don't people just flight instruct to build up enough time to go to a regional, and not just simply pay for a right seat position in a Beech 1900. I don't think anyone under at least 1,000 hours belongs on an aircraft carrying paxs., unless your Gods gift to aviation. I really enjoy flight instructing and get satisfaction from it when I put someone up for there chekride and they pass. Yeah its scary when a private student puts you in a cross controlled stall 300ft. above the deck, but it builds character(LOL). I would'nt trade for the world, I know my time will come when I get to sit in something that burns Jet A, but for now I'll wait my time out flight instructing.

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

 

[rumpletumbler]

haha....when I saw this in my e-mail my first thought was I'll bet this guy only has 1 post. *DING*

 

[X.m.i.s.f.i.t.X]

make that 2 buddy

 

[unreal]

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

Man, that's pretty insulting to those of us taking that so-called "long way." Ignorant, too.

 

[bobbysamd]

P F T flamebait

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

In my case, I guess he's right. Most of my students were much younger than me when I was a flight instructor; in fact, I was nearly old enough to be the father of some of them.

Doesn't flight instruction encompass instrument and multi-engine training? Last I checked, airline pilots fly on instruments in multi-engine airplanes. Also, doesn't flight instruction encompass communication and time-management skills? Last I checked, CRM as used at the airlines requires both. Finally, last I checked, airlines employ instructors to teach ground school and sim. Some of those instructors were or are flight instructors. So, I guess, no, flight instructing experience has nothing at all to do with airline flying.

Here again, it takes no special ability to buy a job - and that's what you're doing at Gulfstream. It takes experience, ability and perseverence to actually apply, interview and be hired for a non-P-F-T airline job. So, for those who lack experience, ability and perseverence, along with a lack of respect for aviation tradition, and who also want to risk alienation of those with whom you work, Gulfstream is your gig - for 250 hours. At that point, unless it hires you full-time or Pinnacle picks you up, you'll just have to flight instruct.

No, there is no jealousy, envy or pity-seeking. What envy? Anyone can buy a job. What jealously? Reread the previous sentence. Pity? There is a person here to revels in the bad luck and misfortune of those who might criticize P-F-T without offering constructive comment. He knows who he is. He is the one to be pitied. He can slam away with his personal attacks. That is his only capability. I won't bother answering his comments. However, if he ever holds a pity party I hope he invites me.

 

[de727ups]

Gulfstream works for you....but at what cost? People who do the Gulfstream thing are helping to lower the standards for the industry. Folks who help lower the bar in the industry are similar to scabs....not well thought of. For your whole career you'll be embarrased about how you entered the industry. Sort of like how scabs don't talk about their past.

The most often talked about topic between crewmembers who are meeting and flying with each other for the first time is talking about how you got started in the career. Saying "I bought my job at Gulfstream" isn't going to go over very well.

 

[rumpletumbler]

This verse of scripture is what I think about when I think of Gulfstream or any other PFT outfit.

Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman builds her house, but a foolish one tears it down with her own hands.

Of course gender isn't the issue here. However, that is what I see these guys doing to the pilot profession. My apologies to those who get ill in relation to bible references.

 

[Goose Egg]

The webcam is interesting. Looks like they have nice name cards, denoting that the participants have some level of importance to the organization. Too bad they are customers instead of employees.


-Goose

 

[Fly BI]

Full-O-Crap

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

You have every right to your opinion, now let me share mine. I learned more in 700 hours of instructing then GulfScream, TAB or any of the other "leaders" could teach in a year of classroom environment. Try giving 200 hours of instruction to instrument students during a typical Oregon winter, then go ahead and tell me your somehow more qualified. Just who do you think was really flying that airplane, making command decisions, multiple missed approaches to minimums, icing etc. Oh, and I actually got paid for all of my time. It's a pretty cool concept, you know, getting paid to fly.

Young one, you are too quick to judge and way too short on respect for those of us who've busted ass to get where we are. Don't fool yourself, your program doesn't make you a better pilot, it makes you an arrogant prick who just thinks he is. Drop your self righteous banter , don't you have a $25,000.00 check to be writing?

I'm finished.

~99