Gulfstream Academy Webcam

[propilot1983]

What really happens at Gulfstream...

http://www.gulfstreamacademy.com/webcam/Camera1.1.jpg

What's the deal with the instructor?? This looks just plane sick!


edit: picture didn't copy...sorry guys, it was funny tho.

 

[Flying Illini]

That link above shows them all in line for their Kool-aid. Yeah, snack time!

 

[350DRIVER]

I would not be "surprised" the extra $10K is for them coming to my company for the RJ.. The $10K number just happens to match what PCL management wanted from peeps with less than the min's...

I had the same hunch...

It would seem that PCL would want something in return for accepting these guys at such a low total time.


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[joeg252]

Why don't people just flight instruct to build up enough time to go to a regional, and not just simply pay for a right seat position in a Beech 1900. I don't think anyone under at least 1,000 hours belongs on an aircraft carrying paxs., unless your Gods gift to aviation. I really enjoy flight instructing and get satisfaction from it when I put someone up for there chekride and they pass. Yeah its scary when a private student puts you in a cross controlled stall 300ft. above the deck, but it builds character(LOL). I would'nt trade for the world, I know my time will come when I get to sit in something that burns Jet A, but for now I'll wait my time out flight instructing.

 

[bobbysamd]

The classic argument

Why don't people just flight instruct to build up enough time to go to a regional, and not just simply pay for a right seat position in a Beech 1900.

Why do people pay for the 1900 seat? They P-F-T for many reasons, including but not limited to believing that flight instructing is beneath them, impatience, not wanting to and/or believing in earning experience, desire to end-run the traditional process, lack of respect for same, lack of willingness to put forth the effort to build time, lack of respect for professional aviation, its institutions and professional pilots. And, last but not least, lack of self-respect by paying the employer for a job. Bottom line: it is still only a job. You don't pay the grocery manager for a job sacking groceries at Safeway, do you? So, why should you pay some airline for an FO job?

I really enjoy flight instructing and get satisfaction from it when I put someone up for there chekride and they pass. Yeah its scary when a private student puts you in a cross controlled stall 300ft. above the deck, but it builds character(LOL). I would'nt trade for the world, I know my time will come when I get to sit in something that burns Jet A, but for now I'll wait my time out flight instructing.

Finally, someone else who "gets it." Keep at it and you will get your chance - and be hired.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Why do people pay for the 1900 seat? They P-F-T for many reasons, including but not limited to believing that flight instructing is beneath them, impatience, not wanting to and/or believing in earning experience, desire to end-run the traditional process, lack of respect for same, lack of willingness to put forth the effort to build time, lack of respect for professional aviation, its institutions and professional pilots. And, last but not least, lack of self-respect by paying the employer for a job. Bottom line: it is still only a job. You don't pay the grocery manager for a job sacking groceries at Safeway, do you? So, why should you pay some airline for an FO job?Finally, someone else who "gets it." Keep at it and you will get your chance - and be hired.

Why? 'Cause Daddy's got the money!

 

[Flying Illini]

Why don't people just flight instruct to build up enough time to go to a regional, and not just simply pay for a right seat position in a Beech 1900. I don't think anyone under at least 1,000 hours belongs on an aircraft carrying paxs., unless your Gods gift to aviation. I really enjoy flight instructing and get satisfaction from it when I put someone up for there chekride and they pass. Yeah its scary when a private student puts you in a cross controlled stall 300ft. above the deck, but it builds character(LOL). I would'nt trade for the world, I know my time will come when I get to sit in something that burns Jet A, but for now I'll wait my time out flight instructing.

I may be walking into the fire here but...
I don't agree with PFT. It ain't right! Now, I may be reading into your post too far. I have less than 1000 hrs. I fly passengers around. You have less than 1000 hrs, you have probably flown a non pilot, therefore a passenger, around. I had a friend that I went to school with that got hired at a regional with less than 500hrs (in 2003). He didn't PFT. I don't feel that I'm gods gift to aviation. I learn everyday. But I do feel, that total time is not the best stick to measure a pilot with. The guy that has 3000hrs of banner tow time is a better qualified pilot than some 400hr MEI? No, I don't think so. I know I may be arguing a losing battle, I know that pilots will never be judged by the quality and not the quantity of their time. It will never happen. I put in 1.5 yrs instructing, loved every minute of it, and I would have no problem doing it again. I had the opportunity to go fly banners and build total time, or go fly corporate (my career goal) and do what I want to do flying terrific equipment, I chose the latter. I am a low time pilot, yet my skills were still that to get a type rating and to not be fired (I wouldn't be where I am if I couldn't fly an airplane or if I couldn't make sound decisions). Obviously low time pilots can be just as competent as high time pilots. I do realize that at less than 1000 hrs, I'm not captain material...yet. I am still learning the hardest thing to learn. Decision making skills, and we're all learning those everyday. Then we get into the argument, is there an "hour threshold" through which you pass when you can be considered a "pilot" without people saying, "oh, you're low time."? I don't know. I've been flying at this corporate job for over a year now. I fly around 350hrs a year. At that rate it will take me nearly 2 more years before I get my ATP. I could have gone and flown banners for a year or two, come out with over 2000 hrs, but would I be a better pilot after two years of flying banners than I am right now after 1 year of flying jets and turbo-props and obtaining a type rating? I don't think so, but still, the 2000hr banner pilot looks at me as though I'm not worthy to fly the equipment I do. If I was at this job that I have now with 2000hrs, people wouldn't act surprised when they ask me what my TT is. But with my current situation, they look surprised. I hate trying to justify my right to be there because someone thinks that a 900hr pilot shouldn't be flying a jet. The people I am talking to are other pilots you run into at FBO's. The guys at our company are great. I went to school with a new Falcon 10 capt. He was just upgrading to capt in the 10. He has less than a quarter of the time I have in the airplane. He doesn't have an attitude about it, he knows I have more experience in the airplane and that I fly it better than he does (he told me this) and he has come to me on several occasions with operational questions. He doesn't see TT, he sees experience and he uses me as a resource. It's nice for a lowly FO to teach a captain something once in a while.

man, this turned into a rant, my apologies.

 

[350DRIVER]

It is not the "quantity" of the time that matters, it is the "quality" and "experience" behind that time that is the make or break factor.

I have flown with 5,000 hour pilots that made me scratch my head, I have also flown with some low time guys that were as sharp as they come. Hours do not matter, it has everything to do with the experience factor.

Illini,

Consider yourself fortunate to be sitting right seat of a Falcon10, not many at your total time can pull that one off. Fast and fun bird to fly. I had a retired 10 captain that was in my upgrade class and **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** did he have some stories...

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[jppt2000]

Why do people pay for the 1900 seat? They P-F-T for many reasons, including but not limited to believing that flight instructing is beneath them, impatience, not wanting to and/or believing in earning experience, desire to end-run the traditional process, lack of respect for same, lack of willingness to put forth the effort to build time, lack of respect for professional aviation, its institutions and professional pilots. And, last but not least, lack of self-respect by paying the employer for a job. Bottom line: it is still only a job. You don't pay the grocery manager for a job sacking groceries at Safeway, do you? So, why should you pay some airline for an FO job?Finally, someone else who "gets it." Keep at it and you will get your chance - and be hired.

Not to demean grocery managers, but my gut feeling tells me more people want to fly for an airline than bag groceries. Booby, another post from you slanted against PFT. You gave up on trying to get a job. I just hope people recognize you didn't reach your goals for a myriad of reasons. Funny, every reason you provide for yourpersonal failure is external, not your fault at all.
Who cares what someone who could never make it thinks about PFT, due to reasons of course, beyond your control.

 

[bobbysamd]

Not to demean grocery managers, but my gut feeling tells me more people want to fly for an airline than bag groceries. Booby, another post from you slanted against PFT. You gave up on trying to get a job. I just hope people recognize you didn't reach your goals for a myriad of reasons. Funny, every reason you provide for yourpersonal failure is external, not your fault at all.
Who cares what someone who could never make it thinks about PFT, due to reasons of course, beyond your control.

Three comments.

1. Someone else started this anti-Gulfstream thread. For a change, why don't you attack his/her comments? I see . . . .

2. Instead of debating my positions with something substantive, i.e., facts and information, you attack me personally while entirely ignoring relevancy. In other words, if you cannot attack the position, attack the person. You have launched into personal attacks of me three times now, the first in March, last week and this week. Last week, I asked you to back up your attacks. You countered with more personal attacks and then turned tail and ran. You are a coward.

3. I am not answering any more of your posts. You are not worth the time. But I will continue commenting on P-F-T.