Gulfstream Academy Webcam

[IP076]

So are you trying to compare military training to TAB express training?

Military takes the the best canidates and many wash out. TAB express takes anyone who can write the check.

Actually no where in my post did I say anything about training at Tab...I'm with most everyone else and wish they would walk take a long walk off a short pier.

I was just using it as an example that there are competent, professional pilots with less than 1000 hours. I've mentioned in another thread about the difference between Military Entry requirements and the check book theory, I agree with you there. I was just pointing out that it is "possible".

 

[X.m.i.s.f.i.t.X]

Why don't people just flight instruct to build up enough time to go to a regional, and not just simply pay for a right seat position in a Beech 1900. I don't think anyone under at least 1,000 hours belongs on an aircraft carrying paxs., unless your Gods gift to aviation. I really enjoy flight instructing and get satisfaction from it when I put someone up for there chekride and they pass. Yeah its scary when a private student puts you in a cross controlled stall 300ft. above the deck, but it builds character(LOL). I would'nt trade for the world, I know my time will come when I get to sit in something that burns Jet A, but for now I'll wait my time out flight instructing.

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

 

[rumpletumbler]

haha....when I saw this in my e-mail my first thought was I'll bet this guy only has 1 post. *DING*

 

[X.m.i.s.f.i.t.X]

make that 2 buddy

 

[unreal]

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

Man, that's pretty insulting to those of us taking that so-called "long way." Ignorant, too.

 

[bobbysamd]

P F T flamebait

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

In my case, I guess he's right. Most of my students were much younger than me when I was a flight instructor; in fact, I was nearly old enough to be the father of some of them.

Doesn't flight instruction encompass instrument and multi-engine training? Last I checked, airline pilots fly on instruments in multi-engine airplanes. Also, doesn't flight instruction encompass communication and time-management skills? Last I checked, CRM as used at the airlines requires both. Finally, last I checked, airlines employ instructors to teach ground school and sim. Some of those instructors were or are flight instructors. So, I guess, no, flight instructing experience has nothing at all to do with airline flying.

Here again, it takes no special ability to buy a job - and that's what you're doing at Gulfstream. It takes experience, ability and perseverence to actually apply, interview and be hired for a non-P-F-T airline job. So, for those who lack experience, ability and perseverence, along with a lack of respect for aviation tradition, and who also want to risk alienation of those with whom you work, Gulfstream is your gig - for 250 hours. At that point, unless it hires you full-time or Pinnacle picks you up, you'll just have to flight instruct.

No, there is no jealousy, envy or pity-seeking. What envy? Anyone can buy a job. What jealously? Reread the previous sentence. Pity? There is a person here to revels in the bad luck and misfortune of those who might criticize P-F-T without offering constructive comment. He knows who he is. He is the one to be pitied. He can slam away with his personal attacks. That is his only capability. I won't bother answering his comments. However, if he ever holds a pity party I hope he invites me.

 

[de727ups]

Gulfstream works for you....but at what cost? People who do the Gulfstream thing are helping to lower the standards for the industry. Folks who help lower the bar in the industry are similar to scabs....not well thought of. For your whole career you'll be embarrased about how you entered the industry. Sort of like how scabs don't talk about their past.

The most often talked about topic between crewmembers who are meeting and flying with each other for the first time is talking about how you got started in the career. Saying "I bought my job at Gulfstream" isn't going to go over very well.

 

[rumpletumbler]

This verse of scripture is what I think about when I think of Gulfstream or any other PFT outfit.

Proverbs 14:1 Every wise woman builds her house, but a foolish one tears it down with her own hands.

Of course gender isn't the issue here. However, that is what I see these guys doing to the pilot profession. My apologies to those who get ill in relation to bible references.

 

[Goose Egg]

The webcam is interesting. Looks like they have nice name cards, denoting that the participants have some level of importance to the organization. Too bad they are customers instead of employees.


-Goose

 

[Fly BI]

Full-O-Crap

In my opinion, Flight instructors are taking the long way to an airline. They are babysitters who have no real expierience and should all do the Gulfstream program or something comparable before applying to a 121 carrier. Knowledge of slow flight and turns around a point do not demonstrate what it takes to be an airline pilot. Go get some 121 training, then apply to an airline.

You have every right to your opinion, now let me share mine. I learned more in 700 hours of instructing then GulfScream, TAB or any of the other "leaders" could teach in a year of classroom environment. Try giving 200 hours of instruction to instrument students during a typical Oregon winter, then go ahead and tell me your somehow more qualified. Just who do you think was really flying that airplane, making command decisions, multiple missed approaches to minimums, icing etc. Oh, and I actually got paid for all of my time. It's a pretty cool concept, you know, getting paid to fly.

Young one, you are too quick to judge and way too short on respect for those of us who've busted ass to get where we are. Don't fool yourself, your program doesn't make you a better pilot, it makes you an arrogant prick who just thinks he is. Drop your self righteous banter , don't you have a $25,000.00 check to be writing?

I'm finished.

~99