Gulfstream Academy dangerous to the profession?

[B190Captain]

Found this on internet.


"An email from Embry-Riddle, thought some might be interested. Although DH is an ERAU alumni and we both worked there, we didn't know any of these 4 folks. What a Fall it's been for Embry-Riddle. Last month we lost two long-time faculty members, Michael Corradi and Bob Sweginnis in a mid-air collision while they were practicing for October's Prescott Air Show.

We have more sad news to report involving pilots with Embry-Riddle connections. Elizabeth "Liz" Morrison, 31, an Embry-Riddle graduate, died Sunday, Oct. 24 in the crash of Hendrick Motorsports Beech 200 King Air near Martinsville, Virginia. Elizabeth, who lived in Concord, North Carolina, graduated from the Daytona Beach campus in 1995 in Aerospace Studies. She was co-pilot on Sunday's flight.

We learned after informing you of the death of Embry-Riddle graduate
Jonathan Palmer, first officer on the Corporate Airlines flight 5966 in Kirksville, Missouri last week, that the pilot, Kim William Sasse, 48, of Ramsey, New Jersey, also attended the Daytona Beach campus of Embry-Riddle.

Beginning with crash of the Pinnacle Airlines CRJ2 which took the life of Embry-Riddle alumnus Jesse Rhodes on Oct. 14, four pilots with ties to Embry-Riddle have lost their lives in three separate crashes in the past two weeks.
Embry-Riddle trains one in four pilots in the United States."


GIA is not the problem, Riddle is the problem!!!! ( Just for you Fly2Scuba you f*ckin idiot)
IRRELEVANT!!!!

 

[flyboyike]

We have more sad news to report involving pilots with Embry-Riddle connections. Elizabeth "Liz" Morrison, 31, an Embry-Riddle graduate, died Sunday, Oct. 24 in the crash of Hendrick Motorsports Beech 200 King Air near Martinsville, Virginia. Elizabeth, who lived in Concord, North Carolina, graduated from the Daytona Beach campus in 1995 in Aerospace Studies. She was co-pilot on Sunday's flight.

Incidentally, there is a big article about that accident in this month's AOPA Pilot.

 

[ReportCanoa]

So lets get a list going;

1. GIA
2. Riddle (Daytona campus)
3. ???????

 

[Jetpipeovht]

NO matter if you attended college and have a CFI, II, MEI, low time or high time, WE ARE HUMAN and we make mistakes.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I have flown in the right seat and left seat with GIA grads. The majority of them have terrible decision making skills. I really have to question someone's intelligence and common sense to spend twenty or thirty grand to do a job that most people get paid to do. If every airline was like Gulfstream, there would be no jobs. I am sorry, but a 121 passenger airplane is not the place to have an amateur pilot in the right seat. Then these pilots would go to Pinnacle making 18 thousand per year. Gulfstream is a shady operation. I would be embarrassed to tell anyone I flew there. I take pride in everything I do. Commutair and Great Lakes pays for their F/O's. Not much, but something. Now it looks like Pinnacle might start selling pilot seats pretty soon. If it does happen with that Jet U., then what happens when it starts getting to the other regionals or the 700's. It could make it all the way up to the majors. Then flying an airliner would become an expensive hobby instead of a job. This is really far-fetched, but who would have guessed ten years ago, the industry would be where it is today. Now days, any moron can get his/her pilot's license. The written tests are published, and you can keep taking re-takes of the check-rides as many times as you want. This industry is a ********************ing joke. GIA is probably not the root of our problems, but it is definitely contributing. If you do not agree with me, get a spoon and eat my ass.

 

[hockeypilot44]

double post

 

[The_Russian]

Now days, any moron can get his/her pilot's license. The written tests are published, and you can keep taking re-takes of the check-rides as many times as you want. This industry is a ********************ing joke.

I will agree with you on this one. This is a major problem for the entire air transport system. The FAA needs to increase the strictness of evaluation ASAP if there are to be safety improvements. Current automation in aircraft is the ONLY thing protecting us and our passengers from the morons out there.

 

[flyboyike]

I have flown in the right seat and left seat with GIA grads. The majority of them have terrible decision making skills. I really have to question someone's intelligence and common sense to spend twenty or thirty grand to do a job that most people get paid to do....GIA is probably not the root of our problems, but it is definitely contributing. If you do not agree with me, get a spoon and eat my ass.

Nobody is questioning that GIA is hardly the best thing for the industry. But I wonder if the guys you flew with had bad decision skills before they ever went to Gulfstream.

 

[The_Russian]

Nobody is questioning that GIA is hardly the best thing for the industry. But I wonder if the guys you flew with had bad decision skills before they ever went to Gulfstream.

We have a winner!

 

[jc3]

So what should the mins. be? ATP for 121 or 131

 

[Caveman]

The thread title is too inflammatory and I don't know if there is a connection or not. I don't think it's unreasonable to point out the coincidence and ask if there is a correlation. 3 of 4 is a pretty unusual statistical anomoly. I think it's a fair question. Personally, I don't have nearly enough data to make that leap, but it does make me go "Hmmm".

 

[ERJFO]

Yea, I fly at Expressjet and have a 4 year aviation degree and 800 flight instructor hours. I don't understand what your getting at with References. It's already been documented that the pilots involved in the accidents were former Gulfstream. My info about the number of pilots at Gulfstream came from AirlinePilotCentral.com. By cutting down the number to 250, you just made the 3/4 number look even more amazing and furthered my argument. Your above post makes me wonder even more about the incompetance level at Gulfstream.

Are you the guy that made me do the walk around twice because I didn't use my flashlight when it was "almost dark"???

 

[DoubtingThomas]

I am not "posting with emotion". You are lucky that I am being calm with you, others on this board have felt my sting before.

Baawaaaahahaha! You sir, are a DORK!

 

[Way2Broke]

When the dead can speak we will be able to pass blame. Until then I say that we should all learn what we can from each and every accident and prepare for the safety of our future passengers.

On a personal note, to read about the corp-ex crash that has seemed to be forgotten by everyone gave me chills.

Found this on internet.


"An email from Embry-Riddle, thought some might be interested. Although DH is an ERAU alumni and we both worked there, we didn't know any of these 4 folks. What a Fall it's been for Embry-Riddle. Last month we lost two long-time faculty members, Michael Corradi and Bob Sweginnis in a mid-air collision while they were practicing for October's Prescott Air Show.

We have more sad news to report involving pilots with Embry-Riddle connections. Elizabeth "Liz" Morrison, 31, an Embry-Riddle graduate, died Sunday, Oct. 24 in the crash of Hendrick Motorsports Beech 200 King Air near Martinsville, Virginia. Elizabeth, who lived in Concord, North Carolina, graduated from the Daytona Beach campus in 1995 in Aerospace Studies. She was co-pilot on Sunday's flight.

We learned after informing you of the death of Embry-Riddle graduate
Jonathan Palmer, first officer on the Corporate Airlines flight 5966 in Kirksville, Missouri last week, that the pilot, Kim William Sasse, 48, of Ramsey, New Jersey, also attended the Daytona Beach campus of Embry-Riddle.

Beginning with crash of the Pinnacle Airlines CRJ2 which took the life of Embry-Riddle alumnus Jesse Rhodes on Oct. 14, four pilots with ties to Embry-Riddle have lost their lives in three separate crashes in the past two weeks.
Embry-Riddle trains one in four pilots in the United States."


GIA is not the problem, Riddle is the problem!!!! ( Just for you Fly2Scuba you f*ckin idiot)
IRRELEVANT!!!!

 

[PCL_128]

Wow. This thread is retarded.

For the record, Jim Polehinke was not some 500 hour wonder. Jim was an experienced line pilot who worked part time in the training department as a sim instructor at GIA before he left for Comair.

 

[jc3]

RUSSIAN, I think I know who you are. You were in my new hire class and you got the roll back due to TSA. You wouldn't shut up, you thought you knew everything.

You even told a guy who had been flight instructing with 1500+, "how does that relate to glass, come back when you have flown something impressive". HA HA HA HA HA!!!(RUSSIAN STYLE). YOU ARE A TOOL, I AM GLAD YOU ARE RUSSIAN AND NOT AN AMERICAN, but I have to respect your opinions and I do(kinda).

I think you should admit that Gulfsteam has had more than there fair share of mistakes. Instead of you defending gulfstream, maybe you should tell people how you will make their rep.(Gulfstream) better.

So for awhile, try to learn to be quite(2 ears, 1 mouth) and try to maybe learn from this thread and realize that gulfstream might be inadequate in their training, and you should continue to try to learn like the rest of us! This thread would have been dead along time ago but your attitude shows us all that gulfstream guys do have a problem!!!

On a positive note, one of the guys I studied with was from gulfstream and by far he was top 5% if not the #1 guy.

 

[Captain Overs]

I recently ate at Jack-In-The-Box does that therefore I mean I will die of E-coli

Why take chances?

 

[federico]

Amazing. This fly2scuba dude prob has 500 hours on the flying for dummies erj145. Did he forget xpress jet started the PFT world anyway. did he forget xpress jet is a fellow CAL feeder. Did he forget that we have a fellow pilot in a hospital bed just about to die or never walk again just because he didnt look at his DG before talking the controls. And yes I did go to Gulfstream myself, while on furlough from Taca as an F.E. so i could make the min multi requirement to upgrade to the right seat. I had 1600 ttl at the time not thanks to CFIing. yes i hated gulfstream and its sea of backstabbers and thieves but theres on good thing as much as i hate to admit it is there training dept. and their OPS Specs. i had great training from ground, CPT sim and line. and yes to my surprise. By the way the Gulfstream sales guys is a comair washout.
Fly2scuba when you get some real flighttime in international arenas flying real jets then your entiled to your opinion not before. mexico is is considered domestic in your ops specs
regards

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I Know a GIA guy. His decision making skills are really being put to the test... He doesn't know what to do.. maybe some of you Self Appointed Premeir guys can help him out...

See he is deciding on where he should go after GIA......



Fedex or SWA.




As he has offers from both. He was saying the SWA hiring guys said they really like the GIA guys. The no auto pilot flying and constant mentoring. FedEx likes that too.....




Any questions?

 

[The_Russian]

So what should the mins. be? ATP for 121 or 131

There should not be a change in flight time minimums. Only a change in the testing required to achieve a certificate or rating. It should be more like JAA to get flight ratings.

Baawaaaahahaha! You sir, are a DORK!

Baawaaaahahaha! You sir, must be my old lady!

When the dead can speak we will be able to pass blame. Until then I say that we should all learn what we can from each and every accident and prepare for the safety of our future passengers.

Good call!

Wow. This thread is retarded.

Yes. I poop on it.

RUSSIAN, I think I know who you are. You were in my new hire class and you got the roll back due to TSA. You wouldn't shut up, you thought you knew everything.

Nope, not me. But yes, I do know everything! HAR HAR! JK

I think you should admit that Gulfsteam has had more than there fair share of mistakes. Instead of you defending gulfstream, maybe you should tell people how you will make their rep.(Gulfstream) better.

Gulfstream has, or the pilots have? I don't know of any major mistakes we have made. And, I cannot make Gulfstream better by myself. Although, I do my best to contribute. I try to teach the FOs as best that I can. I am quite fond of it actually. They learn, just like I learn everyday.

So for awhile, try to learn to be quite(2 ears, 1 mouth) and try to maybe learn from this thread and realize that gulfstream might be inadequate in their training, and you should continue to try to learn like the rest of us!

I have been listening. And now, I am responding. As I said before, I learn everyday. I do not claim to be a know-it-all that is immune to knowledge gaps and resistant to mistakes.

This thread would have been dead along time ago but your attitude shows us all that gulfstream guys do have a problem!!!

How does responding to an ill-fated accusation make Gulfstream guys have a problem? How do I have a bad attitude. I have been pretty sporty about this. Also, please fill me in on the problem that I have.

See he is deciding on where he should go after GIA......



Fedex or SWA.

It better be FedEx. I'll go to his house and pimp slap him.

 

[Publishers]

While we can have this hapless debate about the origin of the bad habits people come up with or we can move to one on which colleges produce the most criminals, in the end, the training and evaluations done at the current employer are the first place to look.
In any flight organization, one sees a tremendous amount of personnel that have flight times, type certificate, background, that would appear to show a professional background. Still, spending time with them shows a lack of professionalism, even more, a lack of understanding what the term professional means. The standards they hold themselves to are far less than what we would expect.
I don't care where you learned to fly, there are some basics that you learn and lining up on the runway correctly is right there. Two professional pilots flying at the airline level should not have made this mistake. Are we going to blame Gulfstream or anyone else because we stalled an aircraft. Did not we learn somewhere along the line that maybe that is not a good thing.
Every once in awhile, I would like to hear someone say, "Boss, I just screwed up." It was not my mothers fault, my first grade teacher did not teach me this, my screw up was not the result of my race, creed, or religion. I screwed up big time and am paying the price.

 

[flyboyike]

Every once in awhile, I would like to hear someone say, "Boss, I just screwed up." It was not my mothers fault, my first grade teacher did not teach me this, my screw up was not the result of my race, creed, or religion. I screwed up big time and am paying the price.

Hallelujah!

 

[mozzer]

had to jumpseat on Gulfstream from JAX-TPA labor day weekend to get home.....regardless of current points of view.....thanks for the ride guys

 

[Whiskerbizkit]

Amazing. This fly2scuba dude prob has 500 hours on the flying for dummies erj145. Did he forget xpress jet started the PFT world anyway. did he forget xpress jet is a fellow CAL feeder. Did he forget that we have a fellow pilot in a hospital bed just about to die or never walk again just because he didnt look at his DG before talking the controls. And yes I did go to Gulfstream myself, while on furlough from Taca as an F.E. so i could make the min multi requirement to upgrade to the right seat. I had 1600 ttl at the time not thanks to CFIing. yes i hated gulfstream and its sea of backstabbers and thieves but theres on good thing as much as i hate to admit it is there training dept. and their OPS Specs. i had great training from ground, CPT sim and line. and yes to my surprise. By the way the Gulfstream sales guys is a comair washout.
Fly2scuba when you get some real flighttime in international arenas flying real jets then your entiled to your opinion not before. mexico is is considered domestic in your ops specs
regards

WowTACA. The same place that had duel flameout because the CA didnt want to stop for fuel? Same place were they have to keep all their paper work for the FAA after any US flying? I know someone that worked there too and left ot go to Express. There is a reason they are called Take A Chance Airline. As for PFT at Express, yes they did have it back in the day, but the difference was you were HIRED then paid for your training. At GIA you pay for time building like buying block time in any small twin, then maybe they hire you.

 

[flyboyike]

WowTACA. The same place that had duel flameout because the CA didnt want to stop for fuel?

Hey, both Avianca and United got them beat. Those two had four-engine flameouts.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

While we can have this hapless debate about the origin of the bad habits people come up with or we can move to one on which colleges produce the most criminals, in the end, the training and evaluations done at the current employer are the first place to look.
In any flight organization, one sees a tremendous amount of personnel that have flight times, type certificate, background, that would appear to show a professional background. Still, spending time with them shows a lack of professionalism, even more, a lack of understanding what the term professional means. The standards they hold themselves to are far less than what we would expect.
I don't care where you learned to fly, there are some basics that you learn and lining up on the runway correctly is right there. Two professional pilots flying at the airline level should not have made this mistake. Are we going to blame Gulfstream or anyone else because we stalled an aircraft. Did not we learn somewhere along the line that maybe that is not a good thing.
Every once in awhile, I would like to hear someone say, "Boss, I just screwed up." It was not my mothers fault, my first grade teacher did not teach me this, my screw up was not the result of my race, creed, or religion. I screwed up big time and am paying the price.

The path to professionalism is an individual choice....

 

[mayoplane]

Jesse was not a 'streamer'.

I didn't have enough time to read all the posts. I just wanted to make sure you know that Jesse, the CA from the crash in Jefferson City WAS NOT a gulfstreamer. He WAS NOT!!! He did fly there to be a street captain, but he was a flight instructor for long years like everybody here, then went to TSA for a while, then to the gulfstream.

I hope somebody had already talked about this fact before this thread. He did a lot more than just 800 hours of teaching, and this whole thread is very silly.

I flew with a lot of silly/dumb inexperienced people from Gulfstream,but also a lot of terrific people from there. I don't like the fact that we hire a lot of low-time people at our company, but I think this whole thread is pretty pointless any more.

 

[federico]

WowTACA. The same place that had duel flameout because the CA didnt want to stop for fuel? Same place were they have to keep all their paper work for the FAA after any US flying? I know someone that worked there too and left ot go to Express. There is a reason they are called Take A Chance Airline. As for PFT at Express, yes they did have it back in the day, but the difference was you were HIRED then paid for your training. At GIA you pay for time building like buying block time in any small twin, then maybe they hire you.

If that was the case he would have been fired, he was promoted to chief pilot and director of operations, sim intructor . yes Taca is the same place Airbus recruits its sim intructors and line pilots. yes Taca is the same place that has more pilots at Top airlines like Qatari, Emirates,Asiana,China, Cathay, UPS,Air Jamaica and Signapore Airlines. Taca flies to 10 us cities, More than Virgin or British. cant hide that much paper work. By the way Taca had Atrs the same time xpress jet or coex had them and first year pay at taca was higher. imagine that little barbie jet flying freak

 

[pilotbrain]

Yea, I fly at Expressjet and have a 4 year aviation degree and 800 flight instructor hours. I don't understand what your getting at with References. It's already been documented that the pilots involved in the accidents were former Gulfstream. My info about the number of pilots at Gulfstream came from AirlinePilotCentral.com. By cutting down the number to 250, you just made the 3/4 number look even more amazing and furthered my argument. Your above post makes me wonder even more about the incompetance level at Gulfstream.

100 percent of all regional airlines wrecks were caused by regional airline pilots....you are a regional airline pilot therefore you are clearly reckless.

Makes about as much sense as your logic....go back to playing your playstation and leave the threads to people with intelligence.

 

[Nindiri]

I've been on TACA several times and it always seemed like a very professional operation. And the FA's were pretty hot.