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[FN FAL]

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/national/8277573.htm

Mary Lampert of Duxbury, an outspoken critic of the plant, called the NRC assessment irrelevant since its security requirements are lax.

For instance, she said that the Plymouth nuclear plant can't resist the impact of an airplane loaded with explosives and that so-called "no fly" zones are useless since a fighter jet wouldn't have time to intercept a plane even if it wandered near the plant.

She suggested the Plymouth plant be equipped with missiles in case an airplane tries to crash into the reactor, and that plant security be subject to regular mock terror drills on short notice.

Residents of Southeastern Massachusetts are fortunate there hasn't been a terrorist attack at the Plymouth plant, she said. "It's not because you have stepped up to the plate and provided the security we deserve," she added.

Clifford Anderson, chief of the regional NRC offices, said security efforts have been stiffened since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Did you ever notice that every town has a chick that is nicknamed "Crazy Mary"?

Missiles stationed at every nuke plant...yea, that's the democrat answer to putting people to work...hahaha. Don't stop terrorism at it's root by going out and stamping them out of existance, like the cockroaches they are. No, lets pull our troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq and just put missiles on our powerplants, that'll cure terrorism!

 

[Flywrite]

Sorry, but from what you posted I don't see where she is advocating a withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan. In fact she makes a valid point if you ask me. The US military isn't big enough to stamp out terrorism at it's roots everywhere in the world. A logical solution is to do the best we can, plus provide layers of defence at home. SAMs do seem a better defence for a power plant than an F-16 a hundred miles away.

I just don't see where she said anything to brand her "Crazy Mary".

 

[sqwkvfr]

Sorry, but from what you posted I don't see where she is advocating a withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan. In fact she makes a valid point if you ask me. The US military isn't big enough to stamp out terrorism at it's roots everywhere in the world. A logical solution is to do the best we can, plus provide layers of defence at home. SAMs do seem a better defence for a power plant than an F-16 a hundred miles away.

I just don't see where she said anything to brand her "Crazy Mary".

I'm really surprised that someone with 4200TT doesn't see a problem with using SAMs to blow civil aircraft out of the sky.

The safety director at the nuclear plant near my city said that if someone flew a 74 directly into the plant, you might, just might crack ONE of the protective devices surrounding the core.

Other problems:
-Shooting down a civil aircraft would be a presidential decision. In the time it takes for an AC to go from being a normal passer-by to a smoking hole, there's no way that desicion could be made.
-Gound-fired SAMs would be largely ineffective against the likes of a multi-engine airliner
-There's a federal law (I think it's called posse comatotus or something like that) that prohibits the use of the military against US citizens.

"Crazy Mary," indeed.

 

[Tim47SIP]

Flydood

Sorry, but from what you posted I don't see where she is advocating a withdrawal from Iraq/Afghanistan. In fact she makes a valid point if you ask me. The US military isn't big enough to stamp out terrorism at it's roots everywhere in the world. A logical solution is to do the best we can, plus provide layers of defence at home. SAMs do seem a better defence for a power plant than an F-16 a hundred miles away.

OK, when the first C-150 flies to close and then is shot down, what will you say? Pilot error, or "Govornment mess up".

Aditionally, Nuke plant's are designed to withstand several airline impacts. The info the news guys are spewing to sway public opinion is comical at best!

 

[Flywrite]

Hey guys, I'm not advocating shooting down civilian aircraft, but in today's world it is an option that should (and is) be available as a final barrier to a repeat of 9/11. I'm sure that if such an arrangement was implemented it wouldnt be up to some guy at the plant to pop off a Hawk at a passing 152. The order would come from the Pres. VP, or SecDef as it currently would.

As for a SAM being ineffective against an airliner, well a larger SAM such as a Hawk would be a lot more effective than the small warhead on an AIM9 or AIM120.

And finally, yes, as a 4200 hour pilot I do see the problem with shooting down civilian aircraft. But the fact is, its a decision that would be made in a heartbeat at a level above us all if the need ever arose again.

 

[Dubya]

Pay attention please.....

I suppose that every nuke plant has a red phone with a direct link to the White House or Pres.

bbbbbrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinngg

"Hello...this is the Presidents Nuc-yu-lur Power Plant Hot Line"
"For quality assurance..your call may be recorded for training purposes."

"If you are calling from a touch tone phone..and know your party's 4 digit extension...please enter it at any time. For light single engine planes press 1...for small twin engine planes..press 2...for large commercial jets..press 3. To speack directly with the president....press 4. To repeat these options...press 5.

beep

"Mr. President...this is the Plymouth nu-clee-ar power plant. There is a little airplane coming right for........um..never mind...it just hit the top of a Ford Expedition parked in our employee lot. Sorry to bother you Mr. President."


How in hades would their ever be time to get a Presidential directive to launch missles at incoming planes? Use a little common sense...it goes a long way.

W

 

[Dubya]

comedy bump?

c'mon...I don't care who you are...that's just funny right there.

W (not quitting his day job)

 

[Flywrite]

Hmmm....I dont know, but since we're talking about common sense do you think that maybe, just maybe in the two and a half years since hijacked airliners slammed into NY, DC, and PA there may have been procedures put in place so that there IS a way for the national command authority to be notified VERY quickly of a rogue, unresponsive, or suspicious aircraft heading towards a Nu-clee-ar plant or any other potential high-value target.

It may or may not be a red phone, but I bet a shiny new quarter there is a system in place to notifiy someone very high up very quickly.

Just a hunch.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Re: Pay attention please.....

I suppose that every nuke plant has a red phone with a direct link to the White House or Pres.

bbbbbrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinngg

"Hello...this is the Presidents Nuc-yu-lur Power Plant Hot Line"
"For quality assurance..your call may be recorded for training purposes."

"If you are calling from a touch tone phone..and know your party's 4 digit extension...please enter it at any time. For light single engine planes press 1...for small twin engine planes..press 2...for large commercial jets..press 3. To speack directly with the president....press 4. To repeat these options...press 5.

beep

"Mr. President...this is the Plymouth nu-clee-ar power plant. There is a little airplane coming right for........um..never mind...it just hit the top of a Ford Expedition parked in our employee lot. Sorry to bother you Mr. President."


How in hades would their ever be time to get a Presidential directive to launch missles at incoming planes? Use a little common sense...it goes a long way.

W

You very funny guy!

 

[Dubya]

but wait.........

flywrite quote:
".....a way for the national command authority to be notified VERY quickly of a rogue, unresponsive, or suspicious aircraft heading towards a Nu-clee-ar plant or any other potential high-value target."

It just so happens that very near a certain training school's practice area there is a nuk-ya-lur power plant.

At any given time during the day....18 rogue Archer III's...6 unresponsive Arrow's, and 3 suspicious Seminole's are headed in the direction of that nuk-ya-lur plant.

I'm just givin' ya a hard time....but there is no way to have a timely response in these cases. Now in a known hijacking situation.....fire away!

W

 

[Flywrite]

I see what you are saying about Arrows and Seminoles, but nobody is going to consider an Arrow a threat to National Security. That's not the kind of threat that a SAM site would be in place to deal with.

Anyhoo...this debate is getting too serious, I'm off to read about barbecue.

 

[Dubya]

Serious?

What part of anything I posted seemed serious?

For sale:

One sense of humor...cheap..dry.

W