Greed Greed Greed

[FlyBoeingJets]

I have a different opinion of Bally's attitude....more power to you.

One can go thru life finding the negative in everything. The more things you can be positive about, the happier you will be. Some may call it naive but so what. I'd rather be naive and happy than knowing it all and unhappy. Sometimes no matter how hard you try it boils down to good timing and what appears to be luck. I'd rather not fret about the road not taken.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I think we can all relate somewhat to the pride and satisfaction flying gives us - (even if we joke about it)

but bottom line is money simply DOES have a something to do with happiness once one passes the point of living with his/her parents.

A happy wife at home in a nice area with happy kids and comfortable life CONTRIBUTES to happiness...and these things don't come wthout money.

lets stop this "give up some salary so we can all fly proud" BULL$HIT.

 

[Rock]

Pride has very little to do with why I fly. My sister-in-law and her husband and four kids are one of the happiest families I know and they net about $45,000 a year. He works for a waste water treatment plant. I'm currently at the bottom of the seniority ladder at my airline and I don't begrudge my CEO a single dime of the money he makes. If he didn't do his job so well, I never could have been hired by his company. I do have a problem with people whose attitude is "Screw the company. I'm getting every dime I've got coming to me and then some because if I don't someone else will." That isn't everyone in this industry, but we've all flown with guys with that attitude. Usually, the people spouting that crap are the first guys to sign their correspondance with "fraternally yours". Well brother, if you really care for me, don't (*&% the company that signs my paycheck. I need them to be around for another 20 years because I can't afford to start all over at the bottom of the totem pole in another unionized airline.

Disclaimers....As far as I know, none of my comments apply to anyone in this forum, and yes, I am a dues paying ALPA member.

 

[Bally]

ok, someone brief me on how to use spell check. I failed spelling all through grammer school.

General Lee,

"Go back and drink some more, and don't leave the gas fireplace on or your house my explode.... (yet another tip----hey, is that greedy? I just saved your life!)"

Thanks for the tip General Lee... I do not need heat since I live in a warm climate, so I will just go on drinking.

Again, my post was not intended to be disrespectful. Your atitude however again illustrates the reason that companies like Delta are in so much trouble.

Each labor group is pointing fingers at each other. There seems to be no trust at all. Again, I am glad and blessed that I do not work in that environment. Way too much soap opera action for my taste. I also think after so long, you get to enjoy the drama.

Perhaps the non-trust was earned by all parties. Other posts here also demonstrate a very negative, me me me, and squeeze all you can, atitude. Either these folks were born that way, or burned by their compan(ies). If it is the later, I guess I can sort of understand. In any event, it would be sad to go though life with such a myopic view.

I agree that the actions and quality of managment has been sub-par, and in some cases criminal at many of the major airlines. The fall of companies such as Delta and United are complex. Responsability has to focus on manamgnent since after all, they have the final say on Contracts, and business strategy.


General Lee, flying the airplane, saying thanks to your pax, and getting a good landing is only a fraction of your responsability. For Delta to regain its health, you, manament, and all of the Delta work groups need to find a way to become a cohesive, on the same page group.

Perhaps the situation is like a blueberry stain on a white cotton cloth. No matter what you do, the stain is too deep and will never go away. If this is the case, buy JetBlue stock.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

yup, but the airline being around for your next 20 years has NOTHING to do with your loyalty. unfortunate but true.

the only people looking to stay 20 years at any airline are the pilots....sad but true.

 

[cptsesso]

I have a friend who is furloughed from Delta and we were just discussing this very subject the other day. He says he, along with many others, is more than ready to offer a 20% salary decrease as long as management is willing to agree that they will not receive any bonuses or such. He says management will not agree to that.

I believe he cited American Airlines pilots (I may be wrong about the Airline) as giving up like 40% or something and then management received nice bonuses afterwards.

Delta pilots should stand firm on this in my opinion.

 

[General Lee]

I believe Bally works for Southwest.

Bally,

You really don't understand my position, do you? I am willing to give some pay back because I do love my job, and this company. But, you can't just give away the farm unless you know exactly what will happen with the money. Will Delta use it to pay off the debt, or to finance the debt? Will they buy more RJs? What would they do with it? Delta also only has one union (unlike Southwest, or UAL, or AA etc..)---which means that management doesn't want the other groups to get unions on the property. They would rather whipsaw the groups against each other, and mainly take from the pilots----appeasing the other groups to not go for the unions. We also actually invested in advice from investment banks and other experts--and they looked it over and told us what we needed to do. (Some say the investment bankers told us "what we wanted to hear...." If that were the case---it would have been "give nothing!") We still stand ready to continue to negotiate---and that is something you seem to NOT understand here. Greedy? I think not. Also, this problem we have needs help from everyone involved----since we all have a stake in Delta's success. Does that make sense? I think it does---with the pilots paying the most---which I think is fine. Enjoy that warm climate. And here is another tip----don't leave your car running in a closed garage---it might kill you!

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Rock]

"the only people looking to stay 20 years at any airline are the pilots....sad but true."

Newsflash here, but that's because the pilots can't afford to go anywhere else, because you could spend 18 years as a 747 Captain at AirWhatever and go right to the panel of a 707 the day you move to another airline. That's not loyalty. That's bondage. And that bondage system isn't coming from "the company".

 

[wil]

So the greedy DAL Pilots need to take a 20% pay cut? Can someone post the golden parachute Leo got after less than 10 years of service? I know the pilots are looking to chip in but I think the upper management greed stinks like yesterday's diapers!!

I can hear the General Lee's horn blowing in the distance!!

 

[enigma]

General, Why respond to such obvious flame bait?

enigma

 

[General Lee]

Enigma,

I don't know. I try to respond to anyone who singles me out.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[dadawgs]

The General has always sound down to earth to me.

I will however tell you what the ultimate greed is. It is when I get on a Delta jumseat and the $300,000 a year Captain is pissed off because I am RJ pilot. Now That is Greed. It always amazes me that someone could be so out of touch with reality.

 

[KCSO780]

I have to agree with the General in that you can't give the farm away until you know where the money is going. Would you give a stock broker your life savings to invest without knowing what he's investing it in. But the other side is what Dadawgs said about "$300,000 captains". It's o.k. Dawg, I feel your pain.....

 

[delivery100]

Bally,

Your the kind of "company man" that would probably cross the line. Someone called you naive on an earlier post.....thats a friggin understatement! Grow up and get a clue!!

 

[General Lee]

dadawgs and KCS0780,

I have run into those same $300,000 wonders, and there are some that still greenslip (get double pay on days off) with 1060 furloughs on the street. Most of the Capts I fly with on the 757/767 are pretty nice, with the cocky ones mixed in there. I don't know why a senior Capt would hassle an RJ pilot---they really are out of touch sometimes. I actually was at DL Express for a while (737-200s) and I was jumping back home and the Capt asked me where I flew? I said DL Express. He said, "Hey, we are trying to get you on our seniority list..." I looked at the FO and he was shaking his head. Out of touch indeed.(I was already on it)

delivery100,

I don't know why he would say that--but he did say he was drinking....I have never said that we should not take some sort of pay cut to help the company---but we should be cautious at the same time unless we know EXACTLY where our INVESTMENT will go.....And I think most of us would go for up to 20%---which is A LOT OF MONEY GONE FROM OUR POCKETS.

Bye Bye--General Lee