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Just feel for the guys who will have to pay back the $7500 training contract in full when they choose not to take the recall!
I am just curious as to what you think is an appropriate amount of training for an upgrade on the same piece of equipment that you have been flying?
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But if you were able to pass the initial checkride, you should be able to pass the upgrade ride. Just stop forgetting what you already learned!
6th grade.What was the start date of the class that was sent home?
You make some excellent points, and raise a good question. I agree completely; that a reasonably experienced, well-trained aviator with the proper mindset should clear initial and be able to follow it up with a successful upgrade relatively soon. But with the exception of a few at Lakes who meet that criteria, that isn't the case.
Many of our newhires are downright dragged over the finish line during initial, gasping for breath, instructor tugging by the collar. Low-time guys hurried through an atrocious ground school (ambifurcated plenum? narsuls? They're making up new words) sent to briefly wrestle with an unflyable sim where weight lifiting is more valuable than decision making, then put in the right seat of the aircraft at 3am after bouncing around in a cabin seat for the preceeding six hours, pissing in a bottle...it's a hell of a month, where they learn alot but not nearly enough. "You'll figure it out on the line." Hopefully. Maybe.
These horrors are remembered from the first time through, and they know the standard will be higher during upgrade, after all that's the threat they were browbeat with during initial. Imagined or not, they know it's gonna suck.
And heck, it isn't the upgrade training or even the checkride most fear, it's the arcane written pretest that must be passed on day one to proceed with training. Everytime the test is updated, 80% of the first batch fail it and go home.
This place is completely dysfunctional. A culture of fear instilled at every turn, CRM trained out of crews, a focus on the irrelevant. Someday a crew is going to auger into a mountain while fretting about why the D.O. just left a nasty message on their voicemail. Just a matter of time.
take it back!
That's a low blow Nacho, and I think you know it. After dodging summer TCU's, riding the bronco a DEN arrival can be from the west, and landing in a max gusty xw, a GLA pilot, even an FO, has plenty of dignity firmly intact and respect pax as well. And that's just during the summer. Sure, the pay sucks, it always has. You don't have to have the right pay to maintain your dignity, earn respect from pax, and to maintain your professionalism flying fellow humans around.
You make some excellent points, and raise a good question. I agree completely; that a reasonably experienced, well-trained aviator with the proper mindset should clear initial and be able to follow it up with a successful upgrade relatively soon. But with the exception of a few at Lakes who meet that criteria, that isn't the case.
Many of our newhires are downright dragged over the finish line during initial, gasping for breath, instructor tugging by the collar. Low-time guys hurried through an atrocious ground school (ambifurcated plenum? narsuls? They're making up new words) sent to briefly wrestle with an unflyable sim where weight lifiting is more valuable than decision making, then put in the right seat of the aircraft at 3am after bouncing around in a cabin seat for the preceeding six hours, pissing in a bottle...it's a hell of a month, where they learn alot but not nearly enough. "You'll figure it out on the line." Hopefully. Maybe.
These horrors are remembered from the first time through, and they know the standard will be higher during upgrade, after all that's the threat they were browbeat with during initial. Imagined or not, they know it's gonna suck.
And heck, it isn't the upgrade training or even the checkride most fear, it's the arcane written pretest that must be passed on day one to proceed with training. Everytime the test is updated, 80% of the first batch fail it and go home.
This place is completely dysfunctional. A culture of fear instilled at every turn, CRM trained out of crews, a focus on the irrelevant. Someday a crew is going to auger into a mountain while fretting about why the D.O. just left a nasty message on their voicemail. Just a matter of time.
I read that whole post waiting for the punch line. Then I got to the end and there wasn't one and I realized you're serious!!!
Let me see if I understand. You figure the respect you earn from your pax compensates for substandard PAY? ...wow.
Okay, here's the punch line...they don't respect you. They hate crawling on an RJ, how do think they feel about a 1900? They find cabin announcements an annoyance. They don't care the temperature at the destination is 24 degrees Celsius and they sure as hell don't care there's a light breeze from the North East.
When you cram yourself in the doorway as they deplane they're not looking at you with awe and reverence, they're just wondering why you won't get out of the way and think how akward you look stooped over and crammed between the galley and cockpit.
If you're willing to trade pay for respect then you deserve what you get...nothing.
take it back!
That's a low blow Nacho, and I think you know it. After dodging summer TCU's, riding the bronco a DEN arrival can be from the west, and landing in a max gusty xw, a GLA pilot, even an FO, has plenty of dignity firmly intact and respect pax as well. And that's just during the summer. Sure, the pay sucks, it always has. You don't have to have the right pay to maintain your dignity, earn respect from pax, and to maintain your professionalism flying fellow humans around.