GREAT CE-750 Job!!!!

[Coool Hand Luke]

ahhhh, ok. So, let me make sure that I understand you correctly. (1) you fly a 75,000 pound jet (2) you fly that 75,000 pound jet for $10K to $15K LESS than $40K to $45K (3) you fly twice as much as 200 to 300 hours per year and (4) you are the 2nd higest paid co-pilot at your company.

Tell you what. I have a deal for you. I will hire you to work for me and I will pay you $10K to $15K LESS than $40K to $45K. All you have to do is fly all the trips that my employer assigns to me. You get a wonderful job flying a jet and I get to pocket $50K to $55K (after paying you your salary) and not do a dang thing. You are happy and I am happy...it's a win-win situation for us both!

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

bvt1151...the point that I am trying to make is that all you do when you accept a job below industry standards is piss off your fellow professionals. It's like going into a job interview and telling them:

"Shucks, I'd do this for free, I just love to fly."

See if you get hired saying that in an interview.

Remember, some day you will be the guy with experience, and you will want to be compensated for that experience. Now how would you feel if someone came along and offered to do your job for 1/2 the pay you feel you deserve?

 

[bvt1151]

I'm a CRJ-70 FO, and I was making fun of airline pay compared to what you won't touch a much smaller aircraft for.

If you can't laugh at yourself...

Trust me, I'm about to lose my job because a whole slew of guys with SJS will do it for less. Read a bit about it on the Regional's forum. You're preaching to the choir.

 

[X man]

Ce-750

Leave Wednesdays. Fly to the boss' vacation spot. Sit on your a$$ 4 days 'cause you can't afford to do anything. Fly home. Repeat. For $40k/yr in a $13 Million C-X? Not on your life. You better at leastdouble it. More like triple.

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:cartman:Actually they are about 20 million now days, does that make you feel anybetter about that really great salary offer?

 

[skydan]

Salary range of $40,000 to $45,000 or possibly higher, based on experience.


I don't think you guy's are reading the ad!

Entry Level 2000TT first starting out is only worth 40-45k If some one who has good qual's I.E. corporate jet time and experience I think they would go higher.

Just a guess but you're the guys that know it all.

 

[Ty Webb]

You forget I already have a job, pushing a 75,000 pound jet around for $10k to $15K less than that job offers working twice as much...and I'm the 2nd highest paid in the right seat for this airframe!

In my experience, they guys who are willing to take the low-paying jobs usuallly end up taking less their entire careers, moving from one "Battered Pilot Shelter" to another. . . . . . good luck and good riddance.

 

[Coool Hand Luke]

Salary range of $40,000 to $45,000 or possibly higher, based on experience.


I don't think you guy's are reading the ad!

Entry Level 2000TT first starting out is only worth 40-45k If some one who has good qual's I.E. corporate jet time and experience I think they would go higher.

Just a guess but you're the guys that know it all.

I think you are missing the point. The Citation X is not an "entry level" jet anymore than a B-747 is. In other words 2000TT just doesn't cut it, and is below what would even be considered a low time pilot. The assumption is that anyone even being considered for a co-pilot job on a Citation X would have in excess of 2000TT and thus command a better salary, which is to say, that they would have compensation above an "entry level" salary. This point must be fairly close, as THE LOWEST Citation X co-pilot according to the 2006 ProPilot survey made $70K (an entry level salary for a Citation X).
If you want to pay an "entry level" salary in the 40K to 45K range for a Citation that is fine...go and get a Citation II.

But hey, maybe you are the one that knows it all.

 

[bvt1151]

I get the feeling you're in the mood to pick a fight with anyone who says anything that can be twisted to what would satisfy your urge.

Is it still a debate, when the other side has no interest in debating?

 

[coloneldan]

If you don't want to do it, there are plenty who will.

I agree.....sort of. There are plenty of people flying airplanes who are stupid enough to accept a job like this. All it does is screw over every other pilot in the country who is trying to make a decent living. I'm a line captain on a corporate jet. I'm being paid more right now than I have ever been. I make about average for my position and type. According to the government, I'm low income.

Sux to be me.

 

[750driver]

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I think I'll stick to my desk job ... it pays substantially higher.

 

[bvt1151]

They'll get what they pay for. You're in corporate aviation, not the highly regulated and unionized airline industry. Capitalism rules, and if they're willing to take the pilot they can get for 45k, guess what, the pilot works for 45k.

You can't dictate for other pilots their reasoning for taking a job or not. It could be in their home town. It could offer a quick upgrade and a tripling of their salary. They could snag the type and leave.

I was hoping this arrogant mindset was exclusive to the airline industry, but apparently its not. I'm not going to bash another pilot for taking a job at any pay. He has his reasons, and I have the respect for another pilot to assume his reasons are sufficient.

Unfortunate.

 

[G100driver]

I'm not going to bash another pilot for taking a job at any pay. He has his reasons, and I have the respect for another pilot to assume his reasons are sufficient.

Unfortunate.

How many pilots have heard their bosses say ... "you know that I can find people to do this job for less...."

Now do you respect another pilot?

 

[bvt1151]

How many pilots have heard their bosses say ... "you know that I can find people to do this job for less...."

Now do you respect another pilot?

This may happen, and capitalism dictates it. What will most likely happen is they won't get their first choice, or whoever takes the job won't last much over a year. That isn't the fault of the pilot, its the fault of the company. If they're willing to pay that much, they'd better be prepared for what they get.

If you think 40-50k is bad in the corporate industry, try 200 hour pilots flying at 20k in the regional industry. The problem is that we've comoditized ourselves. There is no real difference anymore between a good and a bad pilot, at least not enough that the other pilot can't cover for. Crashes are so rare, and pilots are so plentiful that the public no longer justifies that extra $20 per ticket for a better pilot.

The point is that either this company is aware how long a $40-45k pilot will last, or they'll find out real quick. That is the company's issue, and not the pilot's.

 

[G100driver]

The point is that either this company is aware how long a $40-45k pilot will last, or they'll find out real quick. That is the company's issue, and not the pilot's.

I will agree with you to a point.

However the more guys that quit the worse things tend to get a la PFT, training bonds ect ....

The more that guys say NO the better. Pilots should not compete with each other based on pay. They should compete based on merit. The last thing that I want is to fly with some dork because he CONvinced my boss that he was the boy for the job because he would work for less than industry standard wage.

We are talking about zillionare's and corporations that have the wealth to own a jet. A Cit X flying about 350 hours an year has a budget of $1.3-1.7 MILLION a year. Do you think under paying your pilots has any effect of whether or not the flight department survives?

Demand an industry wage ... who knows, maybe you will get some respect along the way as well

 

[JP4user]

a jet. A Cit X flying about 350 hours an year has a budget of $1.3-1.7 MILLION a year. Do you think under paying your pilots has any effect of whether or not the flight department survives?

Demand an industry wage ... who knows, maybe you will get some respect along the way as well

This simple fact is lost on so many pilots. Comparing the salaries to the actual costs of the operation on an annual basis is miniscule percentage wise.