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Good twin for charter/instruction
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For instruction you need something simple and inexpensive to operate that has good single engine performance.
For charter you need something with comfort thats easy to get in and out. Also it needs to look good.
It's hard to find ONE aircraft that will do all the above. Most paying customers don't like to walk up on the wing then climb down into the cockpit and over into the passenger seat.
Look at a Seneca II or III.
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For charter you need something with comfort thats easy to get in and out. Also it needs to look good.
It's hard to find ONE aircraft that will do all the above. Most paying customers don't like to walk up on the wing then climb down into the cockpit and over into the passenger seat.
Look at a Seneca II or III.
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Aerocommander 500 series.
Possibly one of the safest twins flying, reasonably fast, carries a reasonable load, will be hard to find one though at a reasonable price, aircraft has a spar AD that requires compliance, I think it has to do with dissimilar metals corrosion affecting the spar webbing but I could be wrong.
Possibly one of the safest twins flying, reasonably fast, carries a reasonable load, will be hard to find one though at a reasonable price, aircraft has a spar AD that requires compliance, I think it has to do with dissimilar metals corrosion affecting the spar webbing but I could be wrong.
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Just some food for thought...
You really didn't give us enough information, but you probably don't want to be doing a lot of instruction in a turbocharged twin. All those engine inflight engine shutdowns tend to cause problems - the turbos don't take to it very well. Also, depending upon the part of the country where you're located, you may need a turbo'd twin for the MEAs. What I'm saying is that there might not be a perfect fit for both purposes.
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You really didn't give us enough information, but you probably don't want to be doing a lot of instruction in a turbocharged twin. All those engine inflight engine shutdowns tend to cause problems - the turbos don't take to it very well. Also, depending upon the part of the country where you're located, you may need a turbo'd twin for the MEAs. What I'm saying is that there might not be a perfect fit for both purposes.
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You can't ride two horses with one a$$
Trying to do that is the same as every weekend warrior pilot looking for that one airplane that is cheap, goes high, fast and comfortably on hardly any gas. If you get a good charter airplane it burns too much fuel and will cost so much per hour that it'll have a price that won't attract any business. Harsh reality but true.
I don't think that its a problem for a student to learn a high performance twin aircraft as opposed to a trainer right off the bat, but its simply the price that is the major factor.
Trainers aren't meant to haul pax, and serious twins aren't meant to be trained in. Personally, I learned to fly multi in a 310R on dead legs of charter trips, it was sporadic, but I could build time and eventually went to ATP to finish the job. Had I been forced to rent a 310 for instruction, I probably couldn't have afforded it and prolonged my rating-something students hate to do.
You have to find out what you have a bigger need for, charter or instruction. I learned in a 310R, but got my rating in a Seminole. Seminole was a great training airplane, but with full fuel you may be able to carry a couple people and a dog. 310 worked great for charter but was too expensive to train in.
If you wanna fly charter get a 310R, Navajo, Baron, or an Aerostar. Those are the cheapest ones to get into the charter realm with. Most bang for the buck is probably a Navajo-Chieftain, it holds more people than all the others, but it doesn't hold a thread to a 310R flying wise IMO.
If you want to train get a Duchess or a Seminole. Cheap and easy, just the way I like my women
Trying to do that is the same as every weekend warrior pilot looking for that one airplane that is cheap, goes high, fast and comfortably on hardly any gas. If you get a good charter airplane it burns too much fuel and will cost so much per hour that it'll have a price that won't attract any business. Harsh reality but true.
I don't think that its a problem for a student to learn a high performance twin aircraft as opposed to a trainer right off the bat, but its simply the price that is the major factor.
Trainers aren't meant to haul pax, and serious twins aren't meant to be trained in. Personally, I learned to fly multi in a 310R on dead legs of charter trips, it was sporadic, but I could build time and eventually went to ATP to finish the job. Had I been forced to rent a 310 for instruction, I probably couldn't have afforded it and prolonged my rating-something students hate to do.
You have to find out what you have a bigger need for, charter or instruction. I learned in a 310R, but got my rating in a Seminole. Seminole was a great training airplane, but with full fuel you may be able to carry a couple people and a dog. 310 worked great for charter but was too expensive to train in.
If you wanna fly charter get a 310R, Navajo, Baron, or an Aerostar. Those are the cheapest ones to get into the charter realm with. Most bang for the buck is probably a Navajo-Chieftain, it holds more people than all the others, but it doesn't hold a thread to a 310R flying wise IMO.
If you want to train get a Duchess or a Seminole. Cheap and easy, just the way I like my women
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The normally aspirated 180 hp Lycoming Twinstar would most likely make a very good trainer. The diesel-powered version probably wouldn't for a couple of reasons - they're turbocharged and they've got auto-feather. Autofeather is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but personally, I'd rather have initial ME students handling that task manually. Additionally, a 1+3 passenger twin for charter? Probably not the best choice.flyboyzz1 said:
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Operating a Seneca II right now in just that situation, and as far as I'm concerned, it's not particularly well suited for either task. Where are you located? We're in mountain country out west, and the lack of pressurization is a pain to dance around on most charter trips.
As others have said, tough to find an aircraft that fills both missions.
As others have said, tough to find an aircraft that fills both missions.
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