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Skywest Pylot

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After much thought and discussion with the wife I have decided to take another step forward in my aviation career. For my own privacy, I will not mention where I will be going but rest assured that I will soon enjoy the protections of a union and a legally enforceable contract. Talking with my fellow pilots the last several months, I DO NOT believe that ALPA will be voted in this time and I DO NOT want to be here to again witness what has occurred after the previous couple of failed drives. Without a legally binding contract, your pay/QOL will continue to slide. SAPA will continue to be a joke and the feel good emails from management will cease along with their willingness to work with the pilots. Now that I have that off my chest, I want to wish each and every one of you the very best (including the ALPA-haters Skynation, JEA, etc.). I will come back to the REGIONALS board to visit now and then but will spend most of my time on the MAJORS board. Later.

Skywest Pylot
 
Congratulations!

I'm not an ALPA hater, I just don't believe in it as strongly.

you were rather coy about leaving if ALPA isn't voted in. sounds like you had plans to leave all along. that doesn't happen overnite, as we all know. on 10-20-07 you posted:

Skywest Pylot said:
If this drive doesn't pass then I'm gonna try to get over to a union carrier.
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http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=104519

best of luck to you. I have a friend at Delta who thinks I'm crazy not to pursue an interview there. It's a good place, but I'm happy here.

be a sport, tell us where you're going!

best to you
 
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Good luck to you. I would think thought that if you were serious you would have waited three more days to see the results. ALPA or no ALPA SKW wont change that much. They will have the same as they have now, just a contract to be sure that it does not get any worse.
 
Skywest Pylot said:
After much thought and discussion with the wife I have decided to take another step forward in my aviation career. For my own privacy, I will not mention where I will be going but rest assured that I will soon enjoy the protections of a union and a legally enforceable contract. Talking with my fellow pilots the last several months, I DO NOT believe that ALPA will be voted in this time and I DO NOT want to be here to again witness what has occurred after the previous couple of failed drives. Without a legally binding contract, your pay/QOL will continue to slide. SAPA will continue to be a joke and the feel good emails from management will cease along with their willingness to work with the pilots. Now that I have that off my chest, I want to wish each and every one of you the very best (including the ALPA-haters Skynation, JEA, etc.). I will come back to the REGIONALS board to visit now and then but will spend most of my time on the MAJORS board. Later.

Skywest Pylot
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Hey sorry to see you go but congrats on the new job. I know when we talked before you were going to hedge your bets and were preparing to do what was in the best interest for your family and career. Looks like an offer came sooner than expected. I'm right behind you. For the sake of those who choose to stay I sincerely hope ALPA or some form of serious representation is brought in. As for the David Livingstons', Dave Alden's, Jim Black's, Mike Spencer's, etc I hope someone holds them responsible for their mistruths and false promises along with managment this time around if the vote does not pass. There are other people such as Tony Williams who has ignored those who have been around for years and instead chose to defend the status quo (ok so he thinks he is going to do what noone is six years has been able to with sapa, the impotent group controlled by management). Tony is either another management/check airman wanna be or just not too bright. If the vote doesn't pass I want every pilot on this board and every pilot that ever crosses his path to remind him of his words and ignorance thinking he had it all figured out when the track record and trends would seem to indicate otherwise. I doubt he will try to move on anywhere as he is too old but there are some who have strongly opposed each of the various drives that will try to move to an ALPA carrier. I think it would be helpful to get their names out there so everybody understands where they stood on this important issue. A non-union Skywest hurts the entire industry, major and regional alike. Also a non-union Skywest makes those who try to stand up for their rights and raise the bar at Skywest much more susceptible to disclipine and eventual dismissal.

One name off the top of my head to add to the list is Jake Whicker. He is one of hundreds that want their cake and eat it too. He has been very anti-union, feels it ok to undercut the industry (hes making his money as a checkairman) but I'm sure we will see him trying to make his way to an ALPA major sometime in the future....an ALPA carrier that he harmed with his insistance on continuing being a part of the problem and not part of the solution. Once again, no matter how this vote turns out, lets all remember who said what during this drive and hold them accountable for their words and actions. This also includes Skywest managment in the letters from Klen Brooks (ie we have long call reserve in the policy manual), Bill Schlueter suggesting Chip C will do right with the pilot group if we give him a chance, etc. Guys like Skywest pylot who is moving on....get to know your cheif pilot and those in hiring....try to block the S.O.B's who chose not to participate in this industry and who have sold out.

Edit: More to add to the list- Skynation (can anybody help find out who this is?), Soverytired, jea, vtech (this might be Jim Black based upon his writing skills).
 
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real classy trying to 'out' people. not only is it against the terms of use of this board, it's a desperate thing to do. since you're in the mood, who are you? you're on the OC, right? how lame.

bear in mind almost no one at any airline reads this crap. it's more entertainment than anything else.

'join us, or else.' classic.
 
Skynation why do you care where the guy went? You are one weird M0F0!! :smash:
 
Mgmt.....

SkyNation said:
Congratulations!

I'm not an ALPA hater, I just don't believe in it as strongly.

you were rather coy about leaving if ALPA isn't voted in. sounds like you had plans to leave all along. that doesn't happen overnite, as we all know. on 10-20-07 you posted:

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=104519

best of luck to you. I have a friend at Delta who thinks I'm crazy not to pursue an interview there. It's a good place, but I'm happy here.

be a sport, tell us where you're going!

best to you
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This idiot toolbag doesn't care because he is mgmt.! This fool wouldn't go to a major because he is at "good place, and likes it there?"

Absolutely no reason to stay at a regional and forgo something better other than being some silly mgmt. pinhead. Just think of the biggest anti-union idiot in training or mgmt. over there and you have your guy.

Ours is always writing bonehead stuff very similar to Skynation's B.S. Our guy usually writes to Aviation Week or USA Today. Too bad non-airline types read this drivel-some actually buy it!
-Eat a big one, Sky!
 
CheckandSet said:
You guys are crazy for wanting ALPA!! Vote for the Devil-- he'll do a beter Job!! In house would be the only way !
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As stated we tried that. the pilots ran from it like shrieking girls when Mgmt. said they would bankrupt our little endeavor the first time it had to legally defend a pilot.
 
CheckandSet said:
You guys are crazy for wanting ALPA!! Vote for the Devil-- he'll do a beter Job!! In house would be the only way !
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ALPA is so bad that both Continental and FedEx threw out their independents and voted ALPA on the property.

Also, all the independents now, SWAPA, APA, IPA, NPA, etc purchase ALPA services.
 
Clearly status quo is not working at Skywest. If it were working, morale would be stronger. Time for change. If not, then stagnation will continue....
 
Skywest Pylot said:
After much thought and discussion with the wife I have decided to take another step forward in my aviation career. For my own privacy, I will not mention where I will be going but rest assured that I will soon enjoy the protections of a union and a legally enforceable contract. Talking with my fellow pilots the last several months, I DO NOT believe that ALPA will be voted in this time and I DO NOT want to be here to again witness what has occurred after the previous couple of failed drives. Without a legally binding contract, your pay/QOL will continue to slide. SAPA will continue to be a joke and the feel good emails from management will cease along with their willingness to work with the pilots. Now that I have that off my chest, I want to wish each and every one of you the very best (including the ALPA-haters Skynation, JEA, etc.). I will come back to the REGIONALS board to visit now and then but will spend most of my time on the MAJORS board. Later.

Skywest Pylot
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WHAT A DORK
 
CoolSidePillow said:
WHAT A DORK
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Why is he/she a dork? Skywest has already changed work rules unilaterraly that has brought down your QOL. Your wages are also losing its buying power every year with the 1% or 0% pay raise you got.

Reference the "What did SAPA do about this?" thread to see a list of things Skywest has already done to degrade your QOL.
 
Nevets said:
Why is he/she a dork? Skywest has already changed work rules unilaterraly that has brought down your QOL. Your wages are also losing its buying power every year with the 1% or 0% pay raise you got.

Reference the "What did SAPA do about this?" thread to see a list of things Skywest has already done to degrade your QOL.
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You also. He is a dooork because any self respecting pilot would not come on this board or any other and make a statment like that and think others give a S#it. Just go and get a life.
 
Skynation said,
you were rather coy about leaving if ALPA isn't voted in. sounds like you had plans to leave all along. that doesn't happen overnite, as we all know. on 10-20-07 you posted:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Skywest Pylot
If this drive doesn't pass then I'm gonna try to get over to a union carrier.
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I DO NOT BELIEVE THE ALPA DRIVE WILL PASS AND DO NOT WANT TO BE AROUND WHEN IT DOESN'T. I've been down this road before and do not want to experience it again. Yes, this decision has been some years/union drives in the making. I am tired of the lies! I am tired of SAPA! I am glad not to have a dog in this fight anymore. Good luck guys!
 
120% torque said,
Once again, no matter how this vote turns out, lets all remember who said what during this drive and hold them accountable for their words and actions. This also includes Skywest managment in the letters from Klen Brooks (ie we have long call reserve in the policy manual), Bill Schlueter suggesting Chip C will do right with the pilot group if we give him a chance, etc. Guys like Skywest pylot who is moving on....get to know your cheif pilot and those in hiring....try to block the S.O.B's who chose not to participate in this industry and who have sold out.

Edit: More to add to the list- Skynation (can anybody help find out who this is?), Soverytired, jea, vtech (this might be Jim Black based upon his writing skills). ________________
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Thanks for the encouragement. I'm gonna be on probation for a year but let's keep some dialog going. I'm sure somebody will eventually be interested in knowing who gunned our drive down.
 
doork said,
You also. He is a dooork because any self respecting pilot would not come on this board or any other and make a statment like that and think others give a S#it. Just go and get a life.
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The reason I posted here is to let everyone know that I don't have a dog in this fight anymore and won't be posting as a Skywest pilot. If that makes me a dork then so be it.
 
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Skywest Pylot said:
After much thought and discussion with the wife I have decided to take another step forward in my aviation career. For my own privacy, I will not mention where I will be going but rest assured that I will soon enjoy the protections of a union and a legally enforceable contract. Talking with my fellow pilots the last several months, I DO NOT believe that ALPA will be voted in this time and I DO NOT want to be here to again witness what has occurred after the previous couple of failed drives. Without a legally binding contract, your pay/QOL will continue to slide. SAPA will continue to be a joke and the feel good emails from management will cease along with their willingness to work with the pilots. Now that I have that off my chest, I want to wish each and every one of you the very best (including the ALPA-haters Skynation, JEA, etc.). I will come back to the REGIONALS board to visit now and then but will spend most of my time on the MAJORS board. Later.

Skywest Pylot
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Congratulations Skywest Pylot! I have recently left Skywest too. I'm very happy to be employed by an ALPA carrier and hope the rest of the Skywest pilots see the benefits of legal representation. When I started at Skywest I had intentions of spending my career there. However, after seeing the constant slide in QOL during record profits, coupled with managements lack of integrity I decided to pursue employment at a major. For those of you who continue to boast about how wonderful the Skywest management is, I would recommend stepping back from the company Kool-aid cooler and taking a look at...

-Don Douglas was fired for lying and Tony Fizer was promoted while lying.

-Breaking their agreement with the pilot group on a plethora of occasions.

-telling the pilot group that they can't afford to give them a raise and there is no way they will ever get retro pay...then turning around and offering ASA a significant raise, a huge improvement in work rules and 13.5 mil. in retro pay (signing bonus).

-suckering your group into flying 70 seat a/c for 50 seat rates by telling you that you won't regret it. Undercutting the rest of the industry for huge growth (which is why some of the pilots think that your management team is so great)

-constant "we don't need or want ALPA" proclamations from your SAPA reps. who should spend their time trying to fight for improvements and leave the anti-alpa campaign to management.

Skywest was one of the best regional airlines and is now average heading toward MESA.

Skynation will be on soon telling us that pilots from other regionals have jumped ship to come to Skywest. Only for the fast upgrade my friend (these pilots would work for 25/hr for PIC time). Maybe an occasional replant that wants to live in domicile but it is primarily for a fast upgrade so they can move on to a union represented major/legacy.

Good luck Skywest pilots...If I were you I wouldn't hesitate to vote for ALPA!
 
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Wow, you guys are really nasty to one another over there at SKW, glad I do not have to deal with that!
 
dooork said:
You also. He is a dooork because any self respecting pilot would not come on this board or any other and make a statment like that and think others give a S#it. Just go and get a life.
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I am a self respecting pilot. I do NOT call people names while remaining anonymous. As a matter of fact, I don't call people names for disagreeing with me AND also post my REAL NAME to every single one of my posts.

If you were self respecting human being, you would post your real name if you are going to call people names.

By the way, I do give a $h!t what that pilot said. Just because you don't doesn't mean he is a "doork." You need to get a life if you feel the need to respond to something you don't give a $h!t about.

And I am a dork, thank you.
 
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Freedom makes a huge requirement of every human being. With freedom comes responsibility. For the person who is unwilling to grow up, the person who does not want to carry is own weight, this is a frightening prospect.
Eleanor Roosevelt
 
Skywest Pylot said:
Thanks for the encouragement. I'm gonna be on probation for a year but let's keep some dialog going. I'm sure somebody will eventually be interested in knowing who gunned our drive down.
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et tu, Brute?

I've done NOTHING to 'gun down' this drive unless you count this board. I've told people here to study it out for themselves and decide. I've shared my experience and opinions. From what I can tell, I've converted no one to my way of thinking, and the very few who read this board is a tiny fraction at any airline, including SkyWest. I don't even bring this up with my FOs, beyond asking where they came from and if they liked it there.

I was sincere when I wished you well. Best of luck to you.
 
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Yellowfever said,
Congratulations Skywest Pylot! I have recently left Skywest too. I'm very happy to be employed by an ALPA carrier and hope the rest of the Skywest pilots see the benefits of legal representation. When I started at Skywest I had intentions of spending my career there. However, after seeing the constant slide in QOL during record profits, coupled with managements lack of integrity I decided to pursue employment at a major. For those of you who continue to boast about how wonderful the Skywest management is, I would recommend stepping back from the company Kool-aid cooler and taking a look at...

-Don Douglas was fired for lying and Tony Fizer was promoted while lying.

-Breaking their agreement with the pilot group on a plethora of occasions.

-telling the pilot group that they can't afford to give them a raise and there is no way they will ever get retro pay...then turning around and offering ASA a significant raise, a huge improvement in work rules and 13.5 mil. in retro pay (signing bonus).

-suckering your group into flying 70 seat a/c for 50 seat rates by telling you that you won't regret it. Undercutting the rest of the industry for huge growth (which is why some of the pilots think that your management team is so great)

-constant "we don't need or want ALPA" proclamations from your SAPA reps. who should spend their time trying to fight for improvements and leave the anti-alpa campaign to management.

Skywest was one of the best regional airlines and is now average heading toward MESA.

Skynation will be on soon telling us that pilots from other regionals have jumped ship to come to Skywest. Only for the fast upgrade my friend (these pilots would work for 25/hr for PIC time). Maybe an occasional replant that wants to live in domicile but it is primarily for a fast upgrade so they can move on to a union represented major/legacy.

Good luck Skywest pilots...If I were you I wouldn't hesitate to vote for ALPA!
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I agree with this post 100%. Once ALPA is out of the picture, the Skywest pilots are gonna see much more of the same from management/SAPA. Having said that, I wish all Skywest pilots the very best no matter what happens.
 

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