Good…embarrassing…or just plain out of touch?

[gret]

또는 한국인들...

 

[HalinTexas]

또는 한국인들...

I'd be surprised if they have any effect on commercial aviation.

 

[gret]

Agreed, but they're everywhere...they're smart and have a lot of dough. China is much more likely...

 

[OHGOON]

5)Nope it's 50% +/-....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_insurance_coverage_in_the_United_States
http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/income_wealth/cb12-172.html

ooops I made a booboo here.

I meant to use "million" rather than % here. Sorry! It's 50,000,000 +/- people without any healthcare coverage at all in the USA, not 15,000,000 people like JimNtexas tried to claim.

I also apologize for quoting myself but this site doesn't allow any editing of your own posts after one hour of initially posting it, so this is the only way.

 

[JimNtexas]

1)I don't have a party but if you mean progressive, liberal thinkers, then their hatred came about because "W" was an unqualified imbecile completely out of his league who tried unsuccessfully to cover that up with boundless arrogance. The crash happened on his watch and was brought on by grossly inadequate financial regulation. I guess you just don't want to see that.

Obama on the other hand, is at the very least intelligent and tries to build bipartisan consensus

Good example of the kind of irrational hate-speech that spews from Obama's herd like followers.

Here's a good article on Obama's negotiating skills compared to real Presidents.

Unlike his predecessors, President Obama has not achieved any positive-sum legislative compromises with the other party. His only major deals with Republicans were the extension of all tax rates two years ago and the summer 2011 budget deal. The President now defines both of those laws as mistakes and losses rather than as honorable compromises. He sees and frames them as the results of zero-sum negotiations in which Republicans forced him to accept bad policy outcomes. And now when he has leverage, he thinks and hopes he can turn the tables, not recognizing that he still needs Speaker Boehner and House Republican votes.

President Reagan did Social Security and tax reform deals with Democrats. President Bush 41 did a budget deal and the Americans with Disabilities Act with Democrats. President Clinton did NATFA, and welfare reform, and a balanced budget with Republicans. President Bush did the 2001 tax cut, No Child Left Behind, Medicare, two energy bills, and TARP with Democrats. Each President defined these deals as success, as principled compromises, and both parties shared the credit.

President Obama has not negotiated a single win-win middle ground legislative compromise with the other political party.

2)My solution is effective government [snip]
BTW: Why is Obamacare such an issue for you? I don't like it very much either but it's a step, albeit a small one, in the right direction....

Like all Democrats, when confronted with the many failures of socialism your argument boils down to 'they didn't do it right, but when I'm in charge socialism will finally work'.

There is not enough storage on this server to related all the disastrous effects that Obamacare is going to inflict on this country. One current Obamacare fiasco is an exact analog to the luxury tax on boats we discussed earlier.

Obamacare taxes medical devices. This of course means that there will be fewer medical devices, that many people who make medical devices will lose their jobs, and that medical care will be both more expensive and less effective than it would have been without Obamacare.

Like most of Obamacare, it starts kicking in right after the election. Having voted for Obama, Democrats are now scrambling to avoid blame for this Obamacare disaster.

A group of 17 Democratic U.S. senators and senators-elect have signed a letter urging for a delay in implementing a tax on the medical-device industry that is scheduled to go into effect Jan. 1.”

5)Nope it's 50% +/-, you fixed nothing but tried to cloud the issue in your favor.

You're right, it's 15 percent of the population (including I think non-citizens), not 15 million as I incorrectly stated. The sad thing is that these 15%, along with people with prior existing condition issues, could have been easily covered a combination of allowing interstate competition in medical insurance, high deductible medical plans combined with medical savings accounts designed to encourage people to buy them before they get sick and some reform of regulations concerning pre-existing conditions.

Its sad that neither Bush nor Clinton elected to pursue such a simple course that would not have involved creation the gigantic Frankenstein monster that is Obamacare.

6) No let's actually not roll back regulations. Thanks for making my point here. The crash happened because of too little regulation and not because of too much!

There was more regulation under Bush than under Clinton. Had we not had Barney Frank then the crash would have been much softer had Bush been allowed to change regulations on mortages to allow banks to not give loans to people for houses that they couldn't afford.

The crash was caused by regulations.

8) Yes I agree that our Public Schools are an embarrassment for the most part.

We agree on this, but why do you think more government will fix this problem?

BTW, who de-funded the Federal School Budget on a massive scale first?

That's a good one for mythbusters.

District of Columbia schools have some of the highest spending per student in the country, and Washington DC is the richest city in the country. By your logic, they should therefore have the best schools. In fact, DC schools are among the worst in the country.

Pumping money into government monopoly schools does nothing to help students.

President Bush sent his kids to public schools here in Austin. Where do Obama's kids go to school?

 

[OHGOON]

Ok, JimNtexas,

(lacing on the gloves...)
:beer:

Good example of the kind of irrational hate-speech that spews from Obama's herd like followers.

What's irrational? Bush was definitely sharp as a bowling ball!

Sorry that you are having trouble with reality. Obama's "herd" won. "Dinosaurs" lost (Tit for Tat, can do that all day long). Keep up the good work, it will insure that in two years the House will be under Democratic control too...

Here's a good article on Obama's negotiating skills compared to real Presidents.

Oh boy, Keith Hennessey? Really??

Assistant to "W" for Economic Policy and Director of the U.S. National Economic Council from 2007 until the end of Bush's second term in office. That means he was there during the crash. If that is who you see as an expert, no wonder you're confused.

BTW: Obama is a real as it gets bro. Get used to it. As much as you would like to deny it, he is your President and in your case your Commander in Chief to boot!

I wonder... by your logic, was President Lincoln not a "real" President either because he freed the slaves? At the time that was not viewed by some as a very sound economic decision either.

Like all Democrats, when confronted with the many failures of socialism your argument boils down to 'they didn't do it right, but when I'm in charge socialism will finally work'.

There is not enough storage on this server to related all the disastrous effects that Obamacare is going to inflict on this country. One current Obamacare fiasco is an exact analog to the luxury tax on boats we discussed earlier.

Obamacare taxes medical devices. This of course means that there will be fewer medical devices, that many people who make medical devices will lose their jobs, and that medical care will be both more expensive and less effective than it would have been without Obamacare.

Like most of Obamacare, it starts kicking in right after the election. Having voted for Obama, Democrats are now scrambling to avoid blame for this Obamacare disaster.

A group of 17 Democratic U.S. senators and senators-elect have signed a letter urging for a delay in implementing a tax on the medical-device industry that is scheduled to go into effect Jan. 1.”

Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented yet and already it's a complete failure? Please could you be any more dramatic?

I don't very much like it either because it still allows private interests (Health Insurance & Pharmaceutical Companies, etc) to make usury like profits from other human beings' illnesses, but it's not the end of the world.

Health Insurance will very soon be seen as a Human Right and not just a privilege arbitrarily determined by your economic status of the moment.

Single Payer Systems are the fairest way, both medically and economically, to take care of all borne out by statistics everywhere else on this planet. Please refer to my previous post because you must have missed my link.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

Comparing medical devices to Luxury Yachts? Let's see more expensive yacht due to taxation, I think I'll by a row boat, but even rich people won't choose to die rather than go get a little more expensive x-ray or MRI. LOL

The only thing this tax will do is it may reduce some of the medically unnecessary and pure profit driven purchases of such devices. That will reduce overall costs for both the government and us, the consumer, because there will be less economic incentives to over-prescribe these types of procedures. It may hurt the profit margins of some medical device makers but they will adapt. They always do. They also have lots of lobby money to try to influence our politicians, hence your link.

Obamacare is no reason for panic, really. The sky will not fall unless of course the Mayans turn out to be right, in which case all of it and your concerns become truly irrelevant.

BTW: Why not apply your bias to another part of socialized US Federal Government by privatizing our single payer military? I would love to opt out and lobby for your immediate grounding. Who needs human Military Navs today when we have Drones and GPS??

You're right, it's 15 percent of the population (including I think non-citizens), not 15 million as I incorrectly stated. The sad thing is that these 15%, along with people with prior existing condition issues, could have been easily covered a combination of allowing interstate competition in medical insurance, high deductible medical plans combined with medical savings accounts designed to encourage people to buy them before they get sick and some reform of regulations concerning pre-existing conditions.

Its sad that neither Bush nor Clinton elected to pursue such a simple course that would not have involved creation the gigantic Frankenstein monster that is Obamacare.

The fact that you think there is anything simple about National Healthcare just illustrates how little you actually know and how biased you are about the rest. None of what you mention here resolves the basic problem that Healthcare in the US is not universally accessible and therefore is still a privilege determined by your income status. It also has very negative economic consequences, don't believe me? read what the Oracle of Omaha has to say about it:

" Impact on U.S. economic productivity
On March 1, 2010, billionaire investor Warren Buffett said that the high costs paid by U.S. companies for their employees' health care put them at a competitive disadvantage. He compared the roughly 17% of GDP spent by the U.S. on health care with the 9% of GDP spent by much of the rest of the world, noted that the U.S. has fewer doctors and nurses per person, and said, "[t]hat kind of a cost, compared with the rest of the world, is like a tapeworm eating at our economic body." "

There was more regulation under Bush than under Clinton. Had we not had Barney Frank then the crash would have been much softer had Bush been allowed to change regulations on mortages to allow banks to not give loans to people for houses that they couldn't afford.

The crash was caused by regulations.

Barney Frank is to blame?? LMFAO

One openly gay US Representative has that much power? No wonder you and your peeps don't want him to be able to marry.... Imagine they might make more then.... You are hilarious.. Best laugh of the day, thanks.

We agree on this, but why do you think more effective government will fix this problem?

There fixed it for ya.

That's a good one for mythbusters.

District of Columbia schools have some of the highest spending per student in the country, and Washington DC is the richest city in the country. By your logic, they should therefore have the best schools. In fact, DC schools are among the worst in the country.

Pumping money into government monopoly schools does nothing to help students.

What myth? President Reagan did gut the Federal Money spent on Education. The rest here I agree with. As I stated before, Public Education is an unmitigated disaster. Ever wonder if this is just an accident or maybe it's planned? Reduce people's ability to reason critically and then pump em full of "we are the greatest...blah blah blah," all day long. Perfect recipe to keep the public docile while you then proceed to rape them blind. Ooops did I just give away one of the prized secrets of the Skull and Bones Society? Sorry.

President Bush sent his kids to public schools here in Austin. Where do Obama's kids go to school?

????

Who cares? Looks like in both cases parents making smart choices for their families, what's the issue with that? In "W" case I'm actually surprised...must've been the wife.

oh almost forgot; gret, how many words is it this time?

 

[JimNtexas]

President Bush did the 2001 tax cut, No Child Left Behind, Medicare, two energy bills, and TARP with Democrats. Each President defined these deals as success, as principled compromises, and both parties shared the credit.

President Obama has not negotiated a single win-win middle ground legislative compromise with the other political party.

I'm glad we agree on these FACTS.

Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented yet and already it's a complete failure?

It's worse than a failure , it a disaster. Just ask the Democrats who are scrambling to explain their voters why they are losing their jobs in the medical equipment industry. That's another FACT.

I keep hearing about how smart our President is, but I see no evidence of particular intelligence. In fact, he has the kind of detachment one often sees in current and former heavy drug abusers.

If he really is as smart as his worshipers keep telling me he is, then why after four years is the economy still in the tank, and probably going to get worse?

As near as I can tell Obama's talents are mainly in the area of name calling and dodging irresponsibility. Or, as babbling Joe would say, 'leading from behind'.

 

[OHGOON]

Quote:
President Bush did the 2001 tax cut, No Child Left Behind, Medicare, two energy bills, and TARP with Democrats. Each President defined these deals as success, as principled compromises, and both parties shared the credit.

President Obama has not negotiated a single win-win middle ground legislative compromise with the other political party.

I'm glad we agree on these FACTS.

No we don't.

You must suffer from some serious reading comprehension deficits. This quote of yours comes straight from a Bushy clone who sat around on his keaster pretending to be an Economic wizzard while the whole of the financial world was melting down around him and his Prez. It's just his partisan opinion, his take on things while still hermetically sealed inside the Republican bubble. No facts here in evidence at all, secondly by repeating Hennessey's nonsense, it still does not make it any more sensical, let alone fact.

It's worse than a failure , it a disaster. Just ask the Democrats who are scrambling to explain their voters why they are losing their jobs in the medical equipment industry. That's another FACT.

Again, you confuse opinion with fact. In order for it to be a fact, there has to be agreed upon evidence, not spin from dubious partisan sources. I'm beginning to think that you yourself have suffered irreversible damage under the poor Educational System that you so loudly bemoan.

I keep hearing about how smart our President is, but I see no evidence of particular intelligence. In fact, he has the kind of detachment one often sees in current and former heavy drug abusers.

Now this is not only nonsense, but borderline slander. Where is your evidence please? (Don't bother trotting out some obscure teabagger hate group's talking points either please. We already heard, according to your BFFs, that "Obummer" was born in Kenya and is the Anti-Christ,blah, blah, blah...uke: ).

If he really is as smart as his worshipers keep telling me he is, then why after four years is the economy still in the tank, and probably going to get worse?

Not much of a student of history are ya? Look up how long it took for the economy to recover after the Great Depression. It did not fully recover until the end of WWII. 1929 - 1945. The added bonus is today we have one party that doesn't even pay lip service any longer to the concept of "my country before my party." Obama is just one guy, and not God. He can't fix in a few years what took decades to be broken. Again, time to grow up and realize that the President is largely a figure head when it comes to dealing with the economy. His only real direct constitutional power (where he has direct and immediate control) is being Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. (I'm beginning to wonder if your aircraft commander doesn't secretly bring a portable Garmin along just in case...)

As near as I can tell Obama's talents are mainly in the area of name calling and dodging irresponsibility. Or, as babbling Joe would say, 'leading from behind'.

Not even gonna justify this with a direct response other than to say that "Joe" here (if it's Scarborough that you mean) also said of his own party (he still identifies as GOP), that if it continues on its present course it is in danger of becoming "The Party of Stupid".

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/21/scarborough-im-tired-of-republicans-being-the-stupid-party/

 

[JimNtexas]

The list of bills above that Bush got bipartisan support on is an actual, easily verifiable fact.

The fact that Democrat Senators with medical equipment manufacturers are asking the IRS to suspend the 1 Jan 2013 tax on medical devices is an easily verifiable fact.

Obama's own autobiographies discuss his heavy drug use. Another fact.

Obama has created only one highly bipartisan vote since he's been in office. His last two budget bills were voted down in Congress by 610 to zero.

 

[OHGOON]

1)Yes Bush got more cooperation from the Dems than Obama is getting from the Republicans. Easy explanation really; Democrats did not then, nor do they now, ever practice the kind of lock step, slash and burn, party first country last, scorched earth tactics that are so in vogue with your crowd today. Of course if you willfully ignore that reality you can actually come to the conclusion you are trying so desperately to sell. Unfortunately for you, when you look at the bigger picture, the whole thing falls apart like a house of cards.

2) What a surprise that Senators and Congressmen, even of the Democratic variety act as shills for the medical device industry. I am shocked! So what else is new? You're just illustrating the whole problem with the "Do Nothing Congress". Nowadays corporations in this country own our governments lock stock and barrel and give each side about equal amounts of money? They call it lobbying, we really should call it what it actually is; Bribery and corruption. Nothing particularly newsworthy here.

3) Obama admitted to smoking weed and experimenting with some other things in College. You are trying to make it sound as if he was toking up all day long in the White House, that is BS and you know it. If you don't, then you are an even bigger fool than you continue to reveal yourself to be here on this board. At least Obama admitted it outright, while Bush lied about his Cocaine use and Bubba infamously admitted to "not inhaling". Again, lots of drama and hand wringing on your part but very little to no substance.

4)Ah yes, Obama's last Budget was indeed voted down 513 - 0 (414 in the House and 99 in the Senate) Not sure where you got all those extra votes from? Anyway, not really surprising. Most if not all Presidential budget proposals are dead on arrival. They are considered only as a starting point for subsequent negotiations, hardly a realistic barometer for Obama's bipartisan record. If you ask me, the man has tried and continues to try way too hard to win over a party whose sole purpose seems to be to get him out of the White House. Problem for you and all others like you is that this strategy obviously failed. Thankfully, a solid majority of Americans saw right through all that cr@p and reelected Obama for a second term! Maybe next time the GOP might attempt a new approach like actually standing for something rather than just exclusively focusing on vilifying their opposition. If they don't, they will find themselves left out in the cold again. I don't see it happening yet, so at the current moment, they firmly remain the "Party of Stupid" as your favorite conservative pointed out so eloquently on his morning show.

The few actual facts you present are pretty weak brother...