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[pilotyip]

Yip,

The issues are very real, some people are truly bearing the brunt of these changes. Changes which quite frankly are inexcusable and far, far from the norm
in our line of work.

Sometimes, for better or worse, you simply have to call a spade a spade.

This board is very pro-union. I don't think that I am that rabidly anti-union, but more middle of the road, some places need a union and JB may be one of them. The rabid union supporters stand on a platform that unions can do no harm. I just happen to not agree with that stance and it is my duty to point out the other side. Unions have the ability to destroy marginal companies. Is JB a marginal company.

But immersed in this population, I stand out because I am not 100% pro-union and 100% anti-management. A lot of this comes from my personal experiences as a member of ALPA and IBT. This board remains me of my former pro-union activists at places I worked. Nothing was ever good enough for them. After about my fourth job, my main concern was the viability of my company and anything I could do make them more viable was my primary goal.

There are two sides to every story, both sides need to be told.

Originally Posted by Lake Alice View Post In the end Unions are a necessary evil. Trouble is the necessity often turns evil. The union activists that move to the forefront of union leadership continue to sell the promises of increased pay, days off and benefits in order justify the union?s existence and why the pilots are paying dues. The defiant battle cry of we will show them who is boss rings through the union halls in defiance of the reality of the airline marketplace.

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

Agree that our medical is inexcusable. The relevance of my post is a reply to the post I quoted and the impression it gave about 2014 plan changes.

Smarta$$, with all due respect, in no way did my post intend to give an "impression" that I "knew" our health care would have any significant changes in 2014. I do not have a crystal ball. The intent was to point out what the company is capable of doing to our compensation and benefits based on history. The fact remains that we have the absolute worst health care among our peers in the industry. Did it change significantly for 2014? No, it did not. Did it change significantly for 2013? Yes, and overwhelmingly. What about 2015, 2016, 2017, and beyond? Think it can't get any worse? It can. One does not need to be able to see into the future to arrive at that conclusion.

Instead of focusing on what someone may infer from a post on a public forum, why don't we focus on getting our fellow pilots to send in a card so we can positively contribute to the airline pilot profession in a healthy and nourishing manner instead of watching the DR slowly and methodically destroy it.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

 

[Smarta$$]

Freakin sucks! 11 years trying to stuff it to the company to get leading pay but company koolaide like you keep on f u c k ing it up for me. That's why I won't apply to blue cause your there. Why agonize myself knowing spineless punks like you be prancing around with blue juice.

Still making up stories.

 

[Smarta$$]

You are such as pucking ****************************** bag. Pilots are suffering under these plans and you are setting calendar reminders to bring up a useless point. Our plans suck!!! And they suck more this year because we have to suffer under them for another year. We have a sub 200 pilot at Jetblue that is dealing with the terrible health plans right now. Imagine the risk a new hire is assuming since the seed money is NOT prorated takes.

Why don't you seek him out and make your snickering stupid point - "see the plans is not worse than last year" to him. You don't have the BALLS. He is a really nice guy and I sure it will take every ounce of niceness not to ______ up and down the block. You are so wrapped up in BP.com brownie points while real people and their kids are suffering under this BS medical plan. It is pucking gross. Grow up!!!

Do us all a favor and leave!!! FAST!!! Oh but you are the pucking ****************************** bag that wants things to stay bad here so that everyone else leaves and you become King $hit of turd Island. You are throwing other under the bus so that you might benefit with different days off. WOW!!!

No I'm not pissed. You are just a pucking ****************************** bag!!

And none of that is my fault. I don't run this company or defend its management. I was attacked on here for pointing out the company said no significant adverse changes for 2014. After being attacked for saying that, I have every right to point out that you were wrong.

To be honest, it makes me smile to know I torqued of such a huge d-bag.

Its funny, you tell me to leave, but you are the one who hates JB so much, yet YOU stay!

 

[Smarta$$]

You are ignoring the facts.

Our health insurance sucks and some dork wants to keep pointing out that it did not get even more worse this year just to score mythical fi.com points all the while pilots are spending tens of thousands out of pocket.

Same person ... a real reason is going to have to spend the same next year.

That is the reality. So set another calendar reminder for
weeks to remind the dork to point out again that our Health care did not get even more worse in 2024. In meantime a real person is wondering how to pay his very real out his pocket expenses.

Yip you a douce to even bring the union subject into this.

That is what happens when you attack someone for making a true statement. When you attack someone for saying something that is true, expect them to point out your b.s. when the proof arrives.

 

[Smarta$$]

Smarta$$, with all due respect, in no way did my post intend to give an "impression" that I "knew" our health care would have any significant changes in 2014. I do not have a crystal ball. The intent was to point out what the company is capable of doing to our compensation and benefits based on history. The fact remains that we have the absolute worst health care among our peers in the industry. Did it change significantly for 2014? No, it did not. Did it change significantly for 2013? Yes, and overwhelmingly. What about 2015, 2016, 2017, and beyond? Think it can't get any worse? It can. One does not need to be able to see into the future to arrive at that conclusion.

Instead of focusing on what someone may infer from a post on a public forum, why don't we focus on getting our fellow pilots to send in a card so we can positively contribute to the airline pilot profession in a healthy and nourishing manner instead of watching the DR slowly and methodically destroy it.

Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

Roger all that.

 

[Splert]

That is what happens when you attack someone for making a true statement. When you attack someone for saying something that is true, expect them to point out your b.s. when the proof arrives.

Your self labeled truth is irrelevant compared to the actual suffering occuring under these plans. You are a ****************************** for continuing like a child with OCD to point the irrelevant while real people suffer and being attacked by another ****************************** helps me sleep better.

 

[Smarta$$]

Your self labeled truth is irrelevant compared to the actual suffering occuring under these plans. You are a ****************************** for continuing like a child with OCD to point the irrelevant while real people suffer and being attacked by another ****************************** helps me sleep better.

This was NEVER about the adequacy of our current plans. This was about you and others like you attacking me for saying the 2014 plans would not be notably worse. That was my statement, that is what I was attacked for, and now you are trying to make the argument that I somehow defend or are OK with the 2013 plans. I am not.

 

[Dizel8]

Yip,

Fair enough.

Sadly this place needs a union, has needed one for quite a bit now. Given the company past history of only taking, they are of course no different than management at other companies, and they do have a company to run, however, they have gone way to far.

At this point, just getting to industry average would large step up. Industry average in all areas is what they promised after the first vote, it just never materialized.

Now that pay is going up in the industry, they want to get away from average.

Mind you, we are below, if not far below in all aware as, while being the second most productive pilot group, LUV being number one.

The company is spending money like a drunken sailor, just not on it's labor, the ones that work the hardest to build the company.

Yes, we absolutely need a union, not to destroy the company, that would be foolish, but to provide some counterweight to management. If you were a line pilot here, you would probably see the need for one too.

 

[Dizel8]

Sorry for the spelling errors, auto correct and fat fingers are not friends.