Go to Jetblue?

[pilotpayne]

No offense but this isnt just about a union. This company, management is mediocre at best. Wall street doesnt like us. Its not good. We consistently miss our estimates. Do you want to work at a place that relies on selling snack boxes and pillows to make a difference? We re so frail.

We are not as frail as you think.
We just had the best q ever. Don't believe all the Wall Street crap and don't believe all the ELT crap. The answer is in the middle.

 

[pilotpayne]

We have a 10% operating margin and we about to see ex fuel CASM plummet in the next 18 months.

I'm no fan of Jetblue management style with employees but they are turning the ship around from where we were financially just a few years ago.

Wall Street does not like us now because to potential is still 12 month away and 3A is hanging over us. If we see revenue growth due to barf (Mint) we will start to pay off our debt faster due to lower CASM and IF ... IF ... we lose about a $1 billion in debt we are goners. I mean sold for a premium.

How is that for

Except ... Got a SLI representative - yes you do! Meet Rob Maruster!![/QUOTE

Good reason to keep some debt.... Think of it as a moat...

 

[GuppyPuppy]

Dependability policy sent to us in an email this afternoon takes effect at midnight.

This is Jetblue. Policies created/changed all with a quick email.

If you get 5 occurrences in any rolling 12 month window you get to have a "Dependability Review" with your chief pilot. An ambiguous threat of "disciplinary action" is at the discretion of your local CP or ACP.

If you're at JB and wish to keep your job, make sure you buddy up with a chief or ACP so they'll be more lenient when they get to use their discretion on discipline.

Thanks to all the 'NO' voters from two years ago.

Had a TWA jumpseater a few weeks ago. When I told him I wanted ALPA he said, "be careful". I said, "we really don't have any other viable choice".

So, should you come here? Up to you. Just be sure to do your research before you show up for class.

GP

 

[ChuckDriver]

Do you miss more than 5 commutes a year? Really?

 

[N311HK]

Lemme see if I can do my best Matt Damon "Good Will Hunting" job interview answer

Let's say I bang out for a 4 day, you know one of those productive 17hr 4 days, cause I get the flu. After all I'm 5 redeyes in this month so far so my immune system is shot. After I'm over the flu, bad luck happens. My 6 year old is horsing around with his pals, breaks his arm, knocks out his front teeth. Cause that's what kids do. No problem, I have a 4 day coming up, I'll exercise an emergency call. Oh boy, I'm down to only 2 days left of my 10 before I'm called in for a carpet dance. Well as luck would have it, I commute to JFK (NYC area) which 70% of all B6 do and it happens to be one of the most chronically delayed airport in the country. A snow storm hits a few months later after I got sick. I gave myself 2 options, one was full, the next one mx'd. I'm screwed I saw the storm coming I would have dropped the trip but B6 has a pilot shortage due to people leaving for other carriers, part 117 and higher mins for regional pilots. So I had no choice to try and go in. Well I guess I get a call from the Chief, wants to meet in person to talk about it. Of course it has to be on my day off cause no way they're buying my trip. Now I'm in this little face to face. Chief says "before we talk about why you've missed over 10 days in the last 12 months let me remind you that your NPS score is well below the current average, and you have no LIFT awards." Enough said your performance sucks your fired. I politely say "well you can plan hearing from my lawyer, not ALPA (doh) and the FAA. Long story short, I fight the wrongful termination with my own expenses and the Fed's on my side. But being it the government and B6 involved it takes over 2 years to return to my job. No problem except, during those 2years I don't have health insurance, my son had to have an extra surgery for his arm because of an infection, can't pay that nor my mortgage cause I used every last cent to pay the lawyers to fight my case. Now I'm homeless. All of this because I couldn't go thru the simple grievance process a union would provide. Extreme? Or is that life?

So what do I think? I'm holding out for something better! Like a real airline

 

[Fins Up]

Dependability policy sent to us in an email this afternoon takes effect at midnight.

This is Jetblue. Policies created/changed all with a quick email.

If you get 5 occurrences in any rolling 12 month window you get to have a "Dependability Review" with your chief pilot. An ambiguous threat of "disciplinary action" is at the discretion of your local CP or ACP.

If you're at JB and wish to keep your job, make sure you buddy up with a chief or ACP so they'll be more lenient when they get to use their discretion on discipline.

Thanks to all the 'NO' voters from two years ago.

Had a TWA jumpseater a few weeks ago. When I told him I wanted ALPA he said, "be careful". I said, "we really don't have any other viable choice".

We have a TWA guy on the OC. How's that for compartmentalizing?

 

[N311HK]

And just to add some food for thought. Convenient there's no warning of this change coming. Just 24hrs. Convenient that a bunch of guys with a l lot of PTO will be using their recall rights soon. And how would expect those guys to get their $$$ with this new policy in place?

I worked at one of the worst regionals out. It was miserable but I received a stellar education on these tactics.

 

[Splert]

Do you miss more than 5 commutes a year? Really?

1 failed commute starts the review process and subject the pilot to a new CP thought up commute policy.

 

[B6Busdriver]

Do you miss more than 5 commutes a year? Really?

Do you work for JetBlue or did you just think you would jump in without knowing the facts? The new policy is draconian.

 

[MikeSF340]

And just to add some food for thought. Convenient there's no warning of this change coming. Just 24hrs. Convenient that a bunch of guys with a l lot of PTO will be using their recall rights soon. And how would expect those guys to get their $$$ with this new policy in place?

I worked at one of the worst regionals out. It was miserable but I received a stellar education on these tactics.

You get paid out your PTO when you leave. There are a lot of reasons for this policy, that is not one of them.

 

[N311HK]

Per what? You don't think you will have to fight for that check after you are no longer employed at JetBlue. And who exactly will enforce it when you don't get your check. Amazing. They just changed a policy with an email! Are you that naive? When I left my last employer I had to fight over a year to get my so called sick time I never used

 

[Ski-N-Fly]

There is a way to resolve this and the many other "rules changed by emails" we are subjected to. Send in a card. Tell your friends to send in a card.

There is only so much blame that can be placed on management for their ineptitude. The majority of the blame lies with this pilot group. We allowed this to happen. Had enough? Send in a card! Seriously, what is it going to take for the rest to see the light? Be part of the solution......not the problem!

 

[MikeSF340]

Per what? You don't think you will have to fight for that check after you are no longer employed at JetBlue. And who exactly will enforce it when you don't get your check. Amazing. They just changed a policy with an email! Are you that naive? When I left my last employer I had to fight over a year to get my so called sick time I never used

Are you aware of people not getting paid out after they leave? I haven't heard of that happening here. What does your last employer have to do with anything?

 

[N311HK]

Come on Mike, you're better than this. They really just scared the sh!t out of me making this change within 24hrs. They can do anything they want. What part of that do you not understand? My last job did the same stuff. Like furlough out of seniority. If you were on the 190 and B6 no longer thinks it a viable aircraft. They decide to furlough all of those guys regardless of seniority. Only the union protected us. It took 2 years to grieve it. 2!!! Can you imagine fighting that on you own. Oh wait 3a is proving just that. But if u sent in a card then we re cool

 

[MikeSF340]

Come on Mike, you're better than this. They really just scared the sh!t out of me making this change within 24hrs. They can do anything they want. What part of that do you not understand? My last job did the same stuff. Like furlough out of seniority. If you were on the 190 and B6 no longer thinks it a viable aircraft. They decide to furlough all of those guys regardless of seniority. Only the union protected us. It took 2 years to grieve it. 2!!! Can you imagine fighting that on you own. Oh wait 3a is proving just that. But if u sent in a card then we re cool

Then we are cool.