GO JETS application Question?

[Salukipilot4590]

Wow, a picture of a plane with a TWA paint scheme that disapeared in 2000. Do you care to explain the 15 EMB's that were painted exactly like the American Eagle planes, with the only difference being that they said American Connection. These were AMR owned airplanes that were painted in the American Eagle paint scheme. This went on for years. I can pull pictures of other paint shcems as well, that has nothing to do with the facts. TSA was for many years considered the bottom dwellers because they contracted out to many companies just like Mesa, yet now they look down on other who do the same thing. What a joke. Get a history lesson before you look down on anyone else, otherwise you just wind up looking stupid.

:cough:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines#Merger_with_American_Airlines

 

[Salukipilot4590]

First to 5th is about the same as any other and some cases more than CRJ9 operaotrs. And by the way it's 66 people. Know your facts before you post idiot.

Nice to know you don't count your crew as human, bravo.

 

[Flyingdude]

:cough:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_World_Airlines#Merger_with_American_Airlines

wikipedia, huh? Going right to the source. That said April of 2001 and I said 2000, how could I miss it by a whole 4 months? I don't even understand what you are trying to say with a link. If you actually have a clue what you are talking about then speak up genius. Funny how it got silent when I presented those little things called facts about the history of your company. I seem to remember when I was at Eagle and you guys would park at the gate next to us at outstations. Not one TSA guy would ever even look us Eagle guys in the face, because you knew what you were doing. Interesting how history repeats itself, however, now you guys think that you have been wronged, pathetic.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

wikipedia, huh? Going right to the source. That said April of 2001 and I said 2000, how could I miss it by a whole 4 months? I don't even understand what you are trying to say with a link. If you actually have a clue what you are talking about then speak up genius. Funny how it got silent when I presented those little things called facts about the history of your company. I seem to remember when I was at Eagle and you guys would park at the gate next to us at outstations. Not one TSA guy would ever even look us Eagle guys in the face, because you knew what you were doing. Interesting how history repeats itself, however, now you guys think that you have been wronged, pathetic.

:sigh:

Hokay, I'll sum this up in a few words laced with NewCastle and broken dreams. Trans States Airlines started as Resort Air in 1982, in 1985 the company entered into an agreement with Trans World Airlines to operate as Trans World Express serving cities in Missouri and Illinois.

Now work with me here, we flew for TWA right? Hokay, well who bought TWA? AMR right? Good.

Since I'm imagining you work for AE do you think all flying that was TWA automatically belongs to you once AMR takes over? How many AE flights were there out of STL in 1997? How many TWE flights were there? Compare the TWE destinations in 1997 with the American Connection destinations and sans a few unfortunate overlaps you'll see that they are virtually the same (of course disregard all the MIA stuff we did, even we weren't happy about that).

Then again, what do I know right? I'm just a punk kid.

 

[joeywoofwoof]

the best part is when a TSA guy claims that GoJet is dragging the industry down- really? Transstates has been spearheading the industry crap wages for decades. ANYONE who has EVER taken a job at Transstates in the last 25+ years has been driving the industry dumptruck, and if you EVER thought you could turn the tide- you are an idiot and a liar. You had a POS MEC that sold you down the river, fools.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

the best part is when a TSA guy claims that GoJet is dragging the industry down- really? Transstates has been spearheading the industry crap wages for decades.

Not really going to argue with you here but come on, the lost causes are the ones worth fighting for right?

ANYONE who has EVER taken a job at Transstates in the last 25+ years has been driving the industry dumptruck, and if you EVER thought you could turn the tide- you are an idiot and a liar. You had a POS MEC that sold you down the river, fools.

....so give up? Roll over and die? What do you suggest? Should we put a sign up on Navaid Rd. that says "Work will set you free"?

I'm lost.

 

[Flyingdude]

First, I don't work at Eagle, I fortunately left there years ago. I never disputed that TSA did TWA flying or even that they were bought by American. At that time TSA had their own EMB's. No problem, however, several years later AMR bought 15 EMB's that they sent to TSA instead of Eagle while negotiating with us. TSA was more than happy to then take those airplanes owned by AMR and painted like American Eagle. This all had nothing to do with the American/TWA deal. It was a hardball negotiating tactic that the company used with us. TSA was more than happy to take the airplanes. Sounds familiar, like the GoJet/TSA deal. You can be mad at GoJet all you want, but you guys were one of the several companies that started that crap. You want to know how companies like GoJet came to be? Look in the mirror, you were a part of it before GoJet was even a thought.

Now, with all that being said, I never disliked a TSA guy personally and never denied them a jumpseat, that would just be pathetic. Lots of great people exsist at all the companies, I just did not agree with them.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

First, I don't work at Eagle, I fortunately left there years ago.

Awesome, and congrats! Hopefully you were able to move on to greener pastures and a better life, we're all looking for that.

I never disputed that TSA did TWA flying or even that they were bought by American. At that time TSA had their own EMB's. No problem, however, several years later AMR bought 15 EMB's that they sent to TSA instead of Eagle while negotiating with us.

N820HK started as N607AE when it was delivered to American Eagle on June 25th 1998. In February of 2003 it was leased to Trans States and became N820HK. I don't think any of the AE 145s were "new" when we got them.

TSA was more than happy to then take those airplanes owned by AMR and painted like American Eagle. This all had nothing to do with the American/TWA deal. It was a hardball negotiating tactic that the company used with us. TSA was more than happy to take the airplanes. Sounds familiar, like the GoJet/TSA deal. You can be mad at GoJet all you want, but you guys were one of the several companies that started that crap. You want to know how companies like GoJet came to be? Look in the mirror, you were a part of it before GoJet was even a thought.

Well I really can't argue the bulk of this since I wasn't here when it went down. I'd love to find some documentation on the situation though since I have nothing but free time now.

Now, with all that being said, I never disliked a TSA guy personally and never denied them a jumpseat, that would just be pathetic. Lots of great people exsist at all the companies, I just did not agree with them.

Honorable my good sir!

 

[se1776]

How about showing up to work educated with common sense to boot? If you think the only things you need to know are how to "swing the gear" and "put those flaps up or down properly", maybe you shouldn't be at ANY airline....period. Quit diminishing your responsibilities as an FO. No Captain enjoys having to babysit your kind at work.

I hope the days of people like yourself showing up to work are long over!!!!!

That's the only things captains want from you.

I can't wait to be your captain. I'll show you what I mean.....

 

[se1776]

I forgot to mention you might need some radio communications skills.

 

[lookin4better]

It works like this, a regional has flying for a few years, when some other company then takes over that flying or a chunk of it, they cry as if the flying was "theirs" in the first place and now it is being "stolen". In reality, it is just contract work and not flying "owned" by that company in any way.

But they do not care at all where the flying "really" came from or who it belonged to in the first place(mainline), or who lost a job or got downgraded because of it. But yet, when downgrades and furloughs happen at their company and they cry like a child in a sandbox whose toy has been taken away.

The 50 seater is dying, that is why TSA furloughed and downgraded. There are 1500+ United pilots furluoghed who would consider all regionals exactly the same.

And, in 2005, TSA should have got the planes on the property FIRST, then fought over the pay. The TSA MEC and the pilots played "chicken" with HK, and lost.... get them on the property first then worry about the pay, they played a game and lost.... oh well, live and learn.


And se1776, if you want to work for gojet, or just plain need a job, go for it. I would imagine it is pretty difficult right now with all the people needing jobs. And it will not hurt your career in the slightest, most of the original 2005 pilots have moved on to much better jobs(it did not hurt any of them in the slgihtest), unless you think Delta is a career ender I wouldnt worry about what these guys on here say.

 

[Yuppyguppy]

We don't allow Gojet scum on our jumpseat either. I think that is a given.

would you allow a bunch of our furloughed United pilots working at Gojet on your jumpseat???????

 

[Rerouted]

Say what you want about SE1776....but he lit one heck of a fire. Reading this got me through 2 cocktails. Amazing how this flame was fanned.

 

[se1776]

Say what you want about SE1776....but he lit one heck of a fire. Reading this got me through 2 cocktails. Amazing how this flame was fanned.

That's the problem with pilots. Bunch of Alcoholics. when they screw up you blame everybody but themselves.

what a shame.

 

[se1776]

Has anyone heard this?

I got a call form a captain that works at Gulfstream International Airlines. They are getting ready to hire some Beech 1900 street captains.

they are going to get swamp with resumes.

I hope all of you 5000 don't follow me now.

Great international experience guys..

 

[Rerouted]

That's the problem with pilots. Bunch of Alcoholics. when they screw up you blame everybody but themselves.

what a shame.

Ah very nice SE. Coming from someone who probably graduated from Gulfstream Academy, washed out of Freedom before joining Great Lakes and is likely Jonathan Ornstein's love child....I'm not too hurt. Actually, I'm impressed....you communicated your feelings very clearly. It's just more proof Rosetta Stone does work.

 

[se1776]

I have to improve my grammar to work at Go Jets or Gulfstream Int'l.

They are going to be the next Majors like Republic or Mesa

Maybe if you put the bottle down and get your act together you might join me at those two great companies. maybe your dreams come true. just look at your

Curr Position: PT Desk, PT cockpit...full time looking for better.

you don't have to look any further with Go Jet Or Gulfstream Int'l.

 

[Rerouted]

It's not a bottle, it's a fire extinguisher. But really, I'm hoping that I too can one day get that illustrious position as a 172FO like you have listed. Maybe we can work together and hang out while watching old episodes of CHIPs. BRING IT ON!!!! LOL. Ok, I'm done here now...get back to your flaming..or whatever you do.

 

[se1776]

Rerouted
Alcoholics Anonymous: Are looking for pilots

I never seen so many alcoholics in my life, until I became a Proud Professional Pilot.

Lets get back to the original question guys.

 

[pilotyip]

Smart guy

College is one of those hoops you just need to jump through. Take it from me I just graduated today and if I could go back and not waste my time with it I wouldn't.

sounds like you got it figured out, it has nothing to do with flying an airplane. If a prospective pilots just loves flying airplanes, and would be happy making $70-$100K per year with no debt from college loans, a college degree is not necessary. Many prospective pilots may be steered into attending college when they are not college material, not because of a lack basic intelligence, but because it is not important to them. These pilots want to get on with their lives flying airplanes. I have seen too many non-degreed pilots reach a good career position with out a degree. But then my focus is on job satisfaction and not upon pay, respect, and prestige. It is about the joy of flying an airplane. Others out there may feel the same motivation I do. My advice is go to school part time or community college and fly, pilots get hired because they have flight time. Flt time moves you up the food chain to better jobs; the degree is not needed until the last step. You can go to school part time with a full time flying job, you cannot build real flight time while going to school full time. I have seen non-degreed guys go to the Nationals in their mid-20’s.