Getting Fired from AirTran and Have a question

[8v8tr]

I am on the list for the 180 to be fired from AirTranica and was wondering if anybody could help me with some info.

I live in the state of TN, and I have heard about states giving pilots money to get type ratings to help find other jobs. Have any of you been in this situation and if so how did you go about doing this with the state of TN? Or any state for this matter.

Thanks for the help.

 

[say again]

Go on the state website and do a search. I don't know TN state specifics but that should be a good start for ya. Best of luck.

Are you guys still able to collect unemployment??

 

[scoreboardII]

call the state and start asking questions.

sorry, good luck.

 

[Herkdrv]

I am on the list for the 180 to be fired from AirTranica and was wondering if anybody could help me with some info.

I live in the state of TN, and I have heard about states giving pilots money to get type ratings to help find other jobs. Have any of you been in this situation and if so how did you go about doing this with the state of TN? Or any state for this matter.

Thanks for the help.

I went through K&S for the type and they seemed to have a lot of knowledge about using WIA funds to pay for your type. I have also heard that HP in Dallas deals with lots of WIA issues as well. Call either one and ask. My sim partner was on a full ride thanks to California so I know its possible. Good luck.

 

[cjdriver]

Call your state's Dept. of Labor, or equivalent agency.

 

[poppi]

I believe Air apps might have some info

 

[stall022]

Does anyone know if you collect unemployment in your resident state, airline based state or airline headquarters state?

 

[AA717driver]

Your home state.

Also, the loans are from the WIA (Workforce Improvement Act) and the DOL but they're administered by your state's DOL.

So many people got 737 types after 9/11, they started requiring a letter of intent to hire before they would cough up.

Good luck, all! TC

P.S.--IMO, AirTran management ranks down there with Lorenzo and Icahn.

 

[8v8tr]

Guys, thanks for all the great info.

What really sucks is going thru all the application process again!!! I knew AT was a class B airline when I got the job and was ok with that due to a 3 hr. drive vs a commute, but I never expected this!! I guess they are a class F airline with these tactics straight from the Lorenzo playbooks!!

Oh well, life goes on and normally when one door closes a better one opens!

 

[goodgig]

Great Attitude. Sorry about the kick to the nuts (or whatever!)

 

[lionflyer]

Does anyone know if you collect unemployment in your resident state, airline based state or airline headquarters state?

You can file a claim in the state where you live and any state where you were based. Go to your local office and ask questions.

 

[pudnocker]

If and when you sign up for unemployment, they should offer you an appointment with WIA. I got 2 types and an MEI from 3 of the 4 furloughs I went through. Do it fast because the funds do run out quick.
"see link below"

Pud

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Workforce_Investment_Act_of_1998

 

[XJohXJ]

You need to see which state's system AirTran paid into for you. HR should be able to tell you. Sometimes it's the home state, sometimes it's the base state. You'll probably have to make a few, or more, phone calls to get it all sorted out.

The same goes for the type rating. Several pilots have had type ratings paid for either fully or partially as part of a UEI benefit. Typically it takes a lot of phone calls to make it happen, but it's well worth the effort. If it's a 737 type you're looking for, the very helpful folks at one of the leading 737 type training centers (HP) might be able to help you find the appropriate contacts for your situation.

It typically goes easier once you get the right person on the phone, and that person is usually NOT the person at the state's UEI toll free number.

 

[CALRepublic]

My advice, (if it works) get a type that will get you a job, Hawker 800, Citation X, A319/320. Don't go for the kick ass type, (G-550, Global Express, etc). Very hard to get those jobs, they usually want lots of int'l experience, and a min of 300 hrs in type. My advice, be conservative and responsible, keep it simple.

 

[say again]

My advice, (if it works) get a type that will get you a job, Hawker 800, Citation X, A319/320. Don't go for the kick ass type, (G-550, Global Express, etc). Very hard to get those jobs, they usually want lots of int'l experience, and a min of 300 hrs in type. My advice, be conservative and responsible, keep it simple.

Very good advice. My buddy got a Global type and hasn't flown an hr in type in over a year. Others I know picked up a Citation and all have jobs flying that type. Also, with so many of these smaller planes out there your chances of finding a job increase.

 

[Colonel Savage]

Be sure to check out Higher Power in Dallas. They have a 737 type course and on Saturdays the People Dept people from SWA come over and have ice cream with all the HP students. Higher Power's rate of students getting interviews at SWA is, well, Higher! ;-)

 

[8v8tr]

Thanks Guys again all great info. BTW it is Nuts!!

I have quite a few corp jet types but was actaully considering trying for SWA as they are hiring 500 plus this year! I know it is a long shot but a last ditch effort to stay in the airlines. On that note, do you guys have any recs on the 737 type guys? Any suggestions?

 

[8v8tr]

Be sure to check out Higher Power in Dallas. They have a 737 type course and on Saturdays the People Dept people from SWA come over and have ice cream with all the HP students. Higher Power's rate of students getting interviews at SWA is, well, Higher! ;-)

Thanks! We must have been typing at the same time, I will check them out.

 

[Lear70]

ok, from another TN guy who's been through this before...

AirTran pays into the GA unemployment pool. You will have to file with the State of TN, but they will transfer your claim to the state of GA, who will then have you file weekly for your unemployment, you will be paid every 2 weeks, it's around $300 bucks or so per week.

For WIA, you'll have to go through TN as well, but they handle it in-house. The last time I received money from the system was early 2002, so it likely has changed somewhat, however...

The advice you received earlier to talk directly to the type rating companies is the most accurate. They WILL know how the process works CURRENTLY, how to work it best for you, and how to work it the most quickly. It's in their best interest to help you with this, so they should be your first point of contact.

Lastly, the most TN would do was $3,750, but that was several years ago. It likely has gone up but I sincerely doubt it's over $6,000. Unless some program like the ATA guys have crops up, you're kind of stuck with limited funds...

Best of luck,,, to everyone.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Use the money for a personal trainer... get in shape and a job with the The Thunder Down Under!

That's what Lear 70 did!!

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Since you don't seem to be interested in corp., why not go for a 777 type? International carriers might be persuaded to interview you with that over those that lack one. Emirates comes to mind as one. Pretty good jobs right now internationally.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Use the money for a personal trainer... get in shape and a job with the The Thunder Down Under!

That's what Lear 70 did!!

I just got back form Vegas and there were signs everywhere for that show...what is the pay and days off like?

 

[Golden Falcon]

Since you don't seem to be interested in corp., why not go for a 777 type? International carriers might be persuaded to interview you with that over those that lack one. Emirates comes to mind as one. Pretty good jobs right now internationally.

Dont waste your money on a type if applying to Emirates, Gulf Air or Qatar...none needed

 

[Lear70]

I just got back form Vegas and there were signs everywhere for that show...what is the pay and days off like?

Just going to bed now, party all night like a rock star, the women just throw money (and themselves) at you, and I'm thinking about buying AirTran with all the cash and ousting senior management before they ruin the place...

Wonder if they take singles when you buy stock in large quantities...?

:rockstar:

 

[airlinepilot]

Be sure to check out Higher Power in Dallas. They have a 737 type course and on Saturdays the People Dept people from SWA come over and have ice cream with all the HP students. Higher Power's rate of students getting interviews at SWA is, well, Higher! ;-)

Let me guess.....Higher Power must have told people they have a higher rate because unless you can show me otherwise.....our PD department doesn't keep figures on where or how people get their types! I have talked with the PD and fellow pilots that do the interviews. They tell me they could care less where the guys/gals get they type! Higher Power likes to promote the idea they have an in at SWA. NOTHING could be further from the truth. In the days of good-ole-boy hiring maybe..... But, since SWA went the the on-line application that is not true. The PD enters the critieria and the comptuer prints a list of those to interview. I got my type from the cheapest place I could find (in Houston) and everyone in my class is now here at SWA. This Higher Power stuff is a bunch of $$%%^&&*. Save your money and find the cheapest/easiest way to get your type.

 

[DrunkIrishman]

Dont waste your money on a type if applying to Emirates, Gulf Air or Qatar...none needed

I know. It was just a thought to distinguish his resume from the thousands of others. There are plenty of us that have heavy international experience that those carriers can chose from, so a heavy type might ease that gap a little. Just trying to think outside the box.

 

[8v8tr]

All good info thanks. Not against corp, just wanted to stay in the airlines if possible since I like where I live and don't want to move my family if possible.

I have applied to NetJets as there is no corp gigs in my hometown, actually they are shutting some down due to the wonderful economy.

Hoping to get some money from the state and persue a 737 type and go from there, hopefully to SWA.

If that doesn't work then may just stay home, watch the grass grow, cut the grass, then watch it grow again,,,,,, Oh yea, and drink a beer or two while doing that!!

 

[rhino3040]

Your home state.

Also, the loans are from the WIA (Workforce Improvement Act) and the DOL but they're administered by your state's DOL.

So many people got 737 types after 9/11, they started requiring a letter of intent to hire before they would cough up.

Good luck, all! TC

P.S.--IMO, AirTran management ranks down there with Lorenzo and Icahn.

Awesome P.S. EXACTLY

 

[andyd]

anyway the 180 of you can get together and file a class action lawsuit...bound to be something you can sue the bastards for.....breach of contract? you all gave up good regional jobs/equivilant for the promise of something better at A/T.....only to have it thrown in your collective face and trashing your career, gotta be some judge some place that will hear your case.......file in the 9th Circuit and sue the CEO, CFO and BOD seperately and jointly as well as the Corperation.

 

[pegasus]

In defence of Higher Power (HPA)

I got my type at Aeroservice, Miami, and they were awful. Not even sure if they are still there. Then, due to a number of factors, I needed sim time for currency due to new Homeland Security rules. HPA stepped in, donated a check airman and an FO, (for FREE!!!) and negotiated with SWA for a FREE sim. They did this for a, great publicity, and b, (don't be cynical now) because they are great people. Been at SWA for 5.5 years now thanks to HPA.
They are a wonderful team, they do have some insider trading knowledge, and they are a very good place to go. 'Airline Pilot' is not actually very sure of his facts; not his fault; HPA have a strong relationship with the PD, who will often contact them for advice. I know this for absolutely certain due to my insider trading. Good luck.