Getting called by ASA?

[greyhound]

After applying to ASA, how long does it take to get a response? I understand it can take a few weeks, right?

I applied and was wondering how long I should wait before re-submitting my info in case it gets overlooked.

Thanks.

 

[goahead]

Not sure about your question but I'd send it ever two weeks until they call ya. 180 new guys between now and May.

 

[greyhound]

Every two weeks to re-submit!

Got it!

Hopefully I'll get a response while new-hires are going to LAX.

Thanks goahead...

 

[jacksjj]

New hires arent going to LA anymore. Methinks you can get it if you want it though...

 

[greyhound]

So LA is adequately staffed for now?

 

[goodpilotithink]

Rumor has it Comair will be offering a $5000 signing bonus next year.
Sounds a little high but I would not be surprised if it were some lower amount. We are having real problems filling classes with the constant bs mgt is throwing at us. I called in sick and it took 4 Captains to cover two days of my flying. When I called in well, the sched lady said every day is now officially a melt down.
Sad what Delta has done to this once grand little Airline.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

So who are the regionals hiring now? Chimpanzees?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Makes sense , Comair trashes its loyal employees, takes $3,500 in concessions from a line holding First Officer and pays $5,000 plus $30,000 to train a new hire. Net savings is a -$31,500. When will these Harvard pukes learn to put a variable in their model to account for the destruction of the productive members of your Company? It does change the bottom line.

But on to the topic of this thread.

ASA might look a little better since Comair is in free fall, but it is our turn next as long as we are owned by Mormons who consider us the infadels (good only for killing or converting without longevity), our contract is in negotiation and we are ALPA (yet another reason for killing us, or converting us without longevity).

Comair made a good attempt at becoming a airline that offered career potential. Management is determined to destroy any appearance of a regional job being a decent career choice. Look around, ASA and Horizon are on the short list of carriers who have also tried to improve this profession by holding out for better. As long as ALPA will not help us with effective scope remember this maxum - "The tallest tree in the forest gets cut down first."

Hold out, get a little more time, cultivate your friends at Continental, AirTran and Southwest, FedEx, UPS. Don't waste your time at the regionals now that they don't offer PIC time. Besides there are at least 10,000 regional Captains with thousands of hours of PIC time trying to escape their bad decisions by going to another airline - you don't want to get caught in that long line.

Enough airlines will be hiring in 2007 and 2008 that you can probably skip the generic feed crew leasing company of an "airline" all together. If your company's name is not painted in big letters across the side of the airplane you fly - don't do it. The only possible exceptions are any version of Republic Airlines Holdings, or unfortunately - SkyWest.

As SkyWest picks ASA's bones; it is better to be the vulture than the dead dog on the highway.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Let me also offer this to anyone thinking about a "Regional" airline job.

1. Most of the major network carriers have pay rates below regional airlines.

2. The only reason why outsourcing the Delta, Continental, United, Northwest, Alaska, Frontier or any other brand is because the regionals save them money compared to operating the flights with their own equipment. We all know service and reliability suffers in the same way a verbal message passed around a room gets distorted by the end of the line.

3. The hot market for new aircraft and fleet replacement is going to be where it always has been since the dawn of the jet age 70 to 120 seats. Mainline carriers have been too focused on short term survival to figure out what to do with their older MD88's and 737's. Besides they don't have the credit to buy stuff right now. But, this will change.

4. ALPA has a long history of throwing its non preferred (regional) members under the bus to benefit mainline pilots. ALPA shows no signs of changing the unequal representation they provide members.

5. ALPA is in a mess because its past misdeeds have resulted in a couple of lawsuits aimed at making the union fix its mistakes. However, the damage is done and it probably can not be un-done now. ALPA needs a way out.

I think all of this adds up to management and ALPA working together to bring new flying and replacement flying "in house." I certainly could be wrong, but many smart industry insiders do not see Mesa as SkyWest's competition, they see mainline carriers as competition, since their costs to do their own flying have been reduced below the regional carriers (with ALPA's help by setting rates on phantom airplanes that mainline does not even operate currently).

All of these factors add up to a rough ride for ASA.

Some could argue that Delta will re-fleet the MD88 flying to some extent with more and bigger RJ's. It could happen and it might benefit ASA. But SkyWest already took ASA's 90 seaters (on our certificate, then transferred) while loading us up with yesterdays old 50 seaters.

Simply put, none of the trends are positive.

 

[mcjohn]

As SkyWest picks ASA's bones; it is better to be the vulture than the dead dog on the highway.

Are you sure this is the case? I'm seeing a lot of conflicting info on this and don't know what to beleive.

I just sent in my resume etc. to ASA as well. Unfortunately, I also just recieved this email from ATP Flight School (which I never went to: )

January 8 thru 10, ATP will host an on-site interview event with three leading regional airlines:

• ASA
• Pinnacle (Northwest Airlink)
• Trans States Airlines

All three airlines will be on-site seeking ATP-recommended pilot candidates. These airlines have agreed to offer some interviews to applicants for conditional offers of employment which will require applicants to meet specific flight times and successfully complete ATP's Regional Jet Standards Certification program.
Those interested in interviewing with any or all of these airlines will be required to complete an interview prep program on Sunday, January 7, prior to interviewing. If you're interested in participating, please email your resume to...

As you can imagine, this has me a little worried. I have a couple of friends that got hired on at Trans States with very low time and no RJ Standards training. They had friends on the inside, but what this tells me is that unless you know someone these airlines expect you to PFT. I looked at ATP's website and this is what they are talking about I guess:

Regional Jet & FMS
CRJ Orientation & FMS Training 1 Day · $995
Regional Jet Standards 7 Days · $5,995

If this is the case then all I can say is THIS SUCKS. I've busted my arse to get where I'm at now and have even gained a little real world jet experience in a BE400A. But to know I'd be looked over or expected to compete with someone who paid $7000 just for a "condition offer of employment" kills me.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Mcjohn:

Don't buy those things. For starters they are way overpriced.

If you meet the mins, go to the AirInc. job seminar in Dallas. Recruiters will be standing around lonely with no one to talk to at any of the Regional Airline booths. Think of some good ice breakers and sound bites about your yearing to fly for XXX airline. You will get an interview. The competition is not that great right now.

Nearly $7,000 would buy you enough cheap twin time to get hired anywhere. A training program that does not add up to even a logbook endorsement is a waste. Besides the airline will do a great job on RJ training. ASA in particular has an excellent training department.

 

[mcjohn]

I couldn't agree with you more and would never fall for such a scam. This is the freakin problem though. This is straight from ASA's website. They obviously prefer to have this kind of interviewee. What's a guy who's never flown a RJ sim going to do to compete with the trust funded:

Reduced Minimums for a select few with Advanced Jet Training:

• 500 hours total time
• 50 hours multi-engine time

Advanced Jet Training includes:

• Level C/D Jet Simulator
• Level 5/6 Jet FTD
• FMS Training
• Glass Cockpit
• Crew Resource Management (CRM) Training
• Accelerated Jet Ground School

Also as part of the selection process listed on ASA's website:

The simulator evaluation is normally conducted in the CRJ simulator where the applicant should demonstrate basic instrument proficiency, holding procedures, and instrument approach skills.

 

[embdrvr]

Regional Jet & FMS
CRJ Orientation & FMS Training 1 Day · $995
Regional Jet Standards 7 Days · $5,995

If this is the case then all I can say is THIS SUCKS. I've busted my arse to get where I'm at now and have even gained a little real world jet experience in a BE400A. But to know I'd be looked over or expected to compete with someone who paid $7000 just for a "condition offer of employment" kills me.

A fool and his/her money are easily parted.
Please don't fall for this crap. Noone needs either of these courses.
Regionals are having trouble filling classes. That's why they are bribing people to make recommendations or paying a "signing bonus."
Right now low time CFI's are getting hired with no previous turbine experience. Training programs are being retooled to include more handholding since the experience levels are lower than ever.
Most of the really well qualified applicants are finding jobs that don't qualify you for food stamps for the first year or two.

Also I'd give a serious look to corporate and fractional flight departments if you have some bizjet time.

 

[Capt. JD]

After applying to ASA, how long does it take to get a response? I understand it can take a few weeks, right?

I applied and was wondering how long I should wait before re-submitting my info in case it gets overlooked.

Thanks.

I don't plan on pursuing ASA, but I sent my resume to test the waters at all the regionals. They called back after a month & a few days... I answer a few simple questions on the phone & they sent me an employment packet for an interview, hope this helps...

 

[eagle06]

I sent in my resume Dec. 11th and got the phone screening on the 15th. 3 days later came a call to schedule the interview (jan 3). Good luck

 

[mcjohn]

I sent in my resume Dec. 11th and got the phone screening on the 15th. 3 days later came a call to schedule the interview (jan 3). Good luck

When you say "sent in" do you mean email? All I did was email my cover letter, resume, and references to the address on their website.

 

[Capt. JD]

Employment Packet

I sent in my resume Dec. 11th and got the phone screening on the 15th. 3 days later came a call to schedule the interview (jan 3). Good luck

I sent my resume in Nov. 1.... Did you get that packet to fill out in the mail? Fill it all out to get the interview? Good-Luck!

 

[eagle06]

Hokay
mcj - I had my resume walked in by a current employee. However, i also faxed and emailed it in a day or two later. Im pretty sure the one the guy on the phone was looking at wasnt the walked in one as the times were ~5 hours different and he seemed to have the more current one.

Capt - After the phone interview they said they were going to mail me the packet and to send it back. They then called me before i even got it to schedule the interview and just told me to bring it when i come in.
Good luck all.

 

[greyhound]

Good Info!
Thanks.

I'm also under 1000 with 110 multi, along with some advanced jet training from a school in PHX.

I got crj systems/fms training and a high-altitude endorsement for a little over 1/4 of that. ($1800) Took about 5 days and I'll admit you do learn in alot in these classes.

I'll keep instructing in the meantime.

 

[mcjohn]

$1800 isn't so bad to fly the sim check and interview with confidence. I'll be down around the Miami area towing banners beginning in early January. I wonder if I could get some similar training or sim time for that price in south Florida somewhere. Towing banners is the absolute worst way to stay instrument current and tends to hurt the interview process (sim check I mean.)

 

[sweptback]

$1800 isn't so bad to fly the sim check and interview with confidence.

Are you serious? I'd have a hard time paying $1800 to prep for a major interview, let alone for a regional job that barely pays 10x that amount your first year.

If you're worried about your skills, find an eager CFII and a Frasca and bust out some approaches. There's plenty of time to learn CRJ systems and get your high altitude endorsement once you're hired -- they're not going to ask you that on the interview.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Do not worry about wasing your money. Go fly the RJ on flight sim and get used to the glass scan. What they are looking for is a good scan and some ability to hold alt. and what not. You do not need to fly this thing well. Heck the first class that started a few weeks ago had mostly interns in it. They could not find anyone more qualified to start class. If you want to come here, my guess is that if you show up, you will more than likely get hired.
On I side note I have to say that the tide is turning here and in six months it may be a good place to work. The company needs the contract done yesterday. We are in session next week. We will see if they move.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Do not worry about wasing your money. Go fly the RJ on flight sim and get used to the glass scan. What they are looking for is a good scan and some ability to hold alt.

Good advice. The sim will probably be easier to fly than the computer.

The roll rate on the 50 seater is insane (the 70 more typical) so set up your PC sim for a roll rate like an Extra 300. When you get to the Flight Safety Sim think about using pressure only for roll. On the other hand, the pitch on this airplane is underpowered and you will need some pretty good movement on the yoke to get the desired result.

I don't think the Frasca could help, but something with EFIS and "Speed Tape" type displays might be helpful. Everyone gets a little speed tape dyslexia. If you are looking at something on the other side of 250 and it turns out you are seeing 240 instead of 260, it happens....

As others have said, ASA needs pilots. They are not out to bust anyone. Attitude is at least 50% of winning in the sim. If you do screw up, no biggie (you are in a big box with no passengers - 'eh) just relax and fix what you screwed up. Don't cuss, don't beat yourself up, just fix whatever needs fixing and pat yourself on the back for your recovery. That would indicate to me that you know how to recognize and fix a problem and that you are train-able.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

Are you serious? I'd have a hard time paying $1800 to prep for a major interview, let alone for a regional job that barely pays 10x that amount your first year.

If you're worried about your skills, find an eager CFII and a Frasca and bust out some approaches. There's plenty of time to learn CRJ systems and get your high altitude endorsement once you're hired -- they're not going to ask you that on the interview.

Does the 50-seater even warrant a high altitude endorsement?

 

[Oakum_Boy]

You'll be able to fly this thing just fine. It was built for monkeys anyway. Monkeys don't go to prep courses. And a high altitude endorsement means you can be a hypoxic monkey.

 

[mcjohn]

Thanks for the heads up.

 

[wms]

Go to Skywest.

 

[79%N1]

I second, third, fouth and fifth that!