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[FightingIrish]

detwilers, I understand your concerns. 2 points however:

1. You worked for 2 regionals with very good contracts. These 2 regionals also had a hard time competing with the other regionals. ACA lost their United flying because of their cost structure. XJT has been under similar pressure.

2. The PBS that ASA has will easily allow pilots to get 21 days off while getting paid guarantee. Some will hold more than 21 days off and do this. The key is learning the system.

 

[79%N1]

You can EASILY get 21 days off under ASA's PBS. Again my point, XJ guys making wrong assumptions a out something they know nothing a out!

Other than that, nice post.

 

[detwilers]

detwilers, I understand your concerns. 2 points however:

1. You worked for 2 regionals with very good contracts. These 2 regionals also had a hard time competing with the other regionals. ACA lost their United flying because of their cost structure. XJT has been under similar pressure.

2. The PBS that ASA has will easily allow pilots to get 21 days off while getting paid guarantee. Some will hold more than 21 days off and do this. The key is learning the system.

1. True. That is why we need more consolidation for 2 reasons. Economies of scale and more bargaining power due to less competition. So SLI is imperative to 74% percent of us here at the last polling with 14% undecided.

2. I understand and have always been open to learn more about PBS. But it is a concession. The way I look at it. If we could split the money saved then I am for it. e.g the pilot budget is 100 million for the month. We as pilots see 80 million. 20 million goes out the window. This could be a result of inefficiencies the company has to pay for that we as pilots do not get to see in the form of a pay check. So let’s say we get PBS with pay raises. Now the budget is 92 million a month and the pilots see 88 million in their paychecks. Sounds like a win win if it is structured probably. The problem is getting everyone on board and assuring them they will still truely have the ability to have control their schedules.

It's kind of like the Southwest airlines deal. Why taxi a million miles an hour if you get paid by the hour? Because it saves the company BIG money and they pass those savings on to the pilots based parameters in their contract. i.e the more efficient they are are the more they get paid.

As far as the 21 days off thing. That was 21 days off in a row as a result of your vacation. Generally a line holder will have 1 four day left for the month netting him 26 to 27 days off for the month.

 

[detwilers]

You can EASILY get 21 days off under ASA's PBS. Again my point, XJ guys making wrong assumptions a out something they know nothing a out!

Other than that, nice post.

I never made any assumptions. I am just trying to give the full picture because every airline does things differently. ACA was a good company with a good contract but they did not have the scheduling flexability that we have here at XJT. The quilty of life improvement I gained when I went from ACA to XJT where huge (and so was the paycut!). After working under a great contract but restrictive schedulign system and then a good one with complete control over my quality of life, I couldn't put a dollar amount on that. The quilty of life improvements I gained when I went from ACA to XJT where huge.

Do I think that can be done with PBS? Yes, with the right contract language I think it could be done so that everyone comes out ahead.