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PapaSiera said:
So JA and SKW are doing us a favor then? Wow, they are sooo nice!

Ya, right......They want XJT now. If they thought we were going to go bankrupt then they would wait and buy us for a fraction of the price...Try again 777.
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Profitability now is better than profitability 2 yrs down the road.5 years from now XJT will not be around. By accepting SKW proposal XJT pilots will ensure that at least the pilots will still be around.

Let's take all this energy and apply it towards an industry leading contract with industry leading scope protection against whipsaw. ASA pilots want to join XJT and work together with you. We don't want to end up destroying you and seeing a 2000+ pilot group all lose their jobs. ASA MEC has agreed to the merger. It's all up to XJT now. Our hand is out. Take it or leave it.
 
I think ultimately it is a favor, of sorts, to XJT. The writing is on the wall regarding profitabilty and future contracts, etc. They already have lost a/c, closed out the branded, etc. This is an opportunity to join with a profitable, well-run company with good leadership, tight long-term contracts, etc. XJT can hold their breath, stomp their feet and throw a tantrum on the floor over binding Skywest to merge all 3, or focus on joining a healthy company and jointly obtain a great contract with tight scope against the Skywest group preventing the whip-saw! I know I would rather join up and move forward than await my fate in the short term, one which most certainly won't as bright as it will if they join up with ASA and move forward.
 
79%N1 said:
I think ultimately it is a favor, of sorts, to XJT. The writing is on the wall regarding profitabilty and future contracts, etc. They already have lost a/c, closed out the branded, etc. This is an opportunity to join with a profitable, well-run company with good leadership, tight long-term contracts, etc. XJT can hold their breath, stomp their feet and throw a tantrum on the floor over binding Skywest to merge all 3, or focus on joining a healthy company and jointly obtain a great contract with tight scope against the Skywest group preventing the whip-saw! I know I would rather join up and move forward than await my fate in the short term, one which most certainly won't as bright as it will if they join up with ASA and move forward.
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JA is a business man. He isn't offering this to XJT pilots out of the goodness of his heart because he doesn't want to see us hurt. He wants to make money plain and simple.

You say "gain tight scope"! Guess what? We already have tight scope! Now you are asking us to give it up for less scope. That is a concession. You also say that we will negotiate an industry leading contract. XJT pilots already have an industry leading contract. If anything it looks like we will be giving concessions in this deal.
- PBS
- Scheduling/ trip tade/ line improvement
- Sick Leave
- Retirement
- Pass travel

I'm not saying that this deal isn't going to happen, but there will be a lot of pi**ed off XJT pilots flying around if we lose the current QOL that we enjoy. What makes it worse is ASA pilots seem to want to work against us and side with JA. Thats what really makes me mad. You guys are so eager to give up concessions.
 
PapaSiera said:
I'm not saying that this deal isn't going to happen, but there will be a lot of pi**ed off XJT pilots flying around if we lose the current QOL that we enjoy. What makes it worse is ASA pilots seem to want to work against us and side with JA. Thats what really makes me mad. You guys are so eager to give up concessions.
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Pound it buddy.

You fought for what you have and we fought for what we have. Somewhere out there is someone with certain things in their contracts which are better than yours. But don't get me wrong, it was nice, using your contract as a crowbar in our last negotiations. ( :beer: you can still pound it for your "eager" comment)

As far as taking concessions, get out of that glass house. And trust me, we have a really long list of crap which needs to be jacked up in our next contract, which may or may not turn out to be some sort of merger agreement.

I can't think of anything we can do to help your effort to fight this or negotiate it. If we merge, fine, then we talk about merging. If not, so be it and I say, good job on that holding letter language.

If we publish a letter supporting your position and maybe walk a picket line that will have a really great impact on Jerry!!! :erm: He is so intimidated by these things!!!

But until you've walked in our shoes, you really can't say we are eager for concessions. If your beef is mostly with the PBS, maybe some of the pro PBS crowd have laid it on a little thick on this board, but some of these folks really do like the system, feel it is a better way to bid and don't see it as a concession.

I voted for the PBS just because it does look better than line bidding. I saw some gains and losses and came up with a few more gains. It's that simple and the jury won't know if it's any better or worse for about a year, when my stupid azzz has finally figured it out.
 
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PapaSiera said:
What makes it worse is ASA pilots seem to want to work against us and side with JA. Thats what really makes me mad. You guys are so eager to give up concessions.
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This is not what i've noticed in the cockpit. Most of our pilot group consider you our new partner in this little adventure. JA treats us like an adopted child who he keeps in the tool-shed. He keeps us fed with a roof over our head...but we don't feel the love like his SkyWest pilots. We've seen his attitude---Case and point: We had 2 waves of furloughs. SkyWest? Zero. Why? Because his children are too good for that kind of treatment. We're adopted...the both of us.

Welcome to the tool-shed. We have dirty magazines.
 
damnflyboy said:
This is not what i've noticed in the cockpit. Most of our pilot group consider you our new partner in this little adventure. JA treats us like an adopted child who he keeps in the tool-shed. He keeps us fed with a roof over our head...but we don't feel the love like his SkyWest pilots. We've seen his attitude---Case and point: We had 2 waves of furloughs. SkyWest? Zero. Why? Because his children are too good for that kind of treatment. We're adopted...the both of us.

Welcome to the tool-shed. We have dirty magazines.
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We may be stuck in the tool shed but hell there is some nice sh*t out here. Plus the AC works well and the bed ain't too bad to sleep in. Nice about the tool shed is we have dirty magazines first off all. Next, we can build some cool stuff. Can we make stuff better? Hell yes! That is one of the reasons I am hopeful this XJT deal goes through. We inherit some leverage to get some good stuff. But still overall, I'll take where we are now versus a being in a Comair position.
 
PapaSiera said:
JA is a business man. He isn't offering this to XJT pilots out of the goodness of his heart because he doesn't want to see us hurt. He wants to make money plain and simple.

You say "gain tight scope"! Guess what? We already have tight scope! Now you are asking us to give it up for less scope. That is a concession. You also say that we will negotiate an industry leading contract. XJT pilots already have an industry leading contract. If anything it looks like we will be giving concessions in this deal.
- PBS
- Scheduling/ trip tade/ line improvement
- Sick Leave
- Retirement
- Pass travel

I'm not saying that this deal isn't going to happen, but there will be a lot of pi**ed off XJT pilots flying around if we lose the current QOL that we enjoy. What makes it worse is ASA pilots seem to want to work against us and side with JA. Thats what really makes me mad. You guys are so eager to give up concessions.
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ALPA has down a case study on regional contracts. Air Wisconsin has the industry leading contract, followed by ASA, then XJT. Sorry bro, our contract overall is better than yours. Especially after you guys just took concessions.
 
777forever said:
ALPA has down a case study on regional contracts. Air Wisconsin has the industry leading contract, followed by ASA, then XJT. Sorry bro, our contract overall is better than yours. Especially after you guys just took concessions.
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What's the link to the case study, or where is it on the ALPA website? I'd like the chance to read it.
 
It doesn't really matter. It will be fun to watch from the sidelines. You can't expect the purchasing company's pilots to get all bent out of shape over something we didn't sign or initiate. They might be ALPO brothers and all but it's just not in us, I'm afraid. It wouldn't be smart either and will be best left up to the XJT guys to tackle. I say good luck.
 
777forever said:
ALPA has down a case study on regional contracts. Air Wisconsin has the industry leading contract, followed by ASA, then XJT. Sorry bro, our contract overall is better than yours. Especially after you guys just took concessions.
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Could you please change your avatar?

I have to read your post seven times before I know what the first two words are.

That thing's a freakin train wreck. I don't want to look!! I just can't stop.

Don't make me block you!!
:angryfire
 
buscap said:
Could you please change your avatar?

I have to read your post seven times before I know what the first two words are.

That thing's a freakin train wreck. I don't want to look!! I just can't stop.

Don't make me block you!!
:angryfire
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I agree. That is not attractive to me in ANY way. Just not into all the trunk junk. Now...Jessica Simpson in Daisy Dukes....
 

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