Gemini to file chapter 7

[MD11Drvr]

So the MD-11 crews get fast-tracked to the bottom of World's seniority list. What about the more senior DC10 folks?

There is currently no short course for the DC-10. The MD-11 folks (43 so far from what I hear) were able to be fast tracked through a shortened course. I have not heard about DC-10 guys being hired yet but they were looking hard at ATA DC-10 guys for awhile,but I have not heard anything new for the DC-10 other than yes they have seats to fill and will be hiring for that airframe as well.

Good Luck to all the GAC folks I hope you land on your feet..........

 

[dutch747]

So the MD-11 crews get fast-tracked to the bottom of World's seniority list. What about the more senior DC10 folks?

Fast tracked to the "bottom"...where should they be? Top, middle????

 

[Colonel Savage]

Fast tracked to the "bottom"...where should they be? Top, middle????

No one is trying to argue for anything else, Dutch. All is well...

 

[dutch747]

No one is trying to argue for anything else, Dutch. All is well...

I know it was probably just a poor choice of words. I am guilty of doing so myself. I was just curious as to make sure that is the case... Why not say, "quickly hired by World Airways" or "Hired and fast tracked through training with World Airways". Why make any reference to the seniority list at all. Seemed like flame bait to me. But don't mistake my tone, no drama intended.

I also think PreContact is asking why haven't the more senior DC-10 folks don't get offered the MD-11... I think the short answer is they do but may be seat locked or just not interested in switching aircraft just yet.

 

[Hocus Focus]

MD11 Current and Qualified is the short answer.

 

[PreContact]

I also think PreContact is asking why haven't the more senior DC-10 folks don't get offered the MD-11... I think the short answer is they do but may be seat locked or just not interested in switching aircraft just yet.

Yes that's what I was trying to say. Was there any discussion as to the seniority implications? Or since it's Ch7, all bets are off?

 

[legalalien]

Yes that's what I was trying to say. Was there any discussion as to the seniority implications? Or since it's Ch7, all bets are off?

All of the ex-Gemini guys in class were hired before Chapter 7. They saw the writing on the wall with the CH11 filing and made the smart move. They are treated like any other new hire (except current and qualified MD11 get the short course).

There was some discussion in our union about having to hire street captains for a short time if we got more aircraft and the training department couldn't cope. They would, however, still be at the bottom of the list. Nothing seems to have happened about that yet. It may still be an option since it looks like we are getting more aircraft. Nothing has been decided yet.


As you alluded to, in Chapter 7 its just an asset purchase not a merger so seniority isn't really an issue - new hires go to the bottom of the list.

 

[PreContact]

OK that makes more sense.

 

[Colonel Savage]

I was not aware that ATA ever flew DC-10's. I remember they had L-1011's, 757's, 737's, even 707's (while back). Were the DC-10's doing only DoD charters out of the AMC bases?

 

[TWA]

Let me get this strait, World purchased the Gemini assets, including aircraft?

 

[tjsatter]

No. The leasing company (GECAS) re-po'd the MD11s, The Bank took the other tangible assets. World may in due course end up with the MD11 but by a cheaper route.

tj

 

[propilot]

World is expecting to see at least 3 Gemini MD11's on line by the end of the year...Or so we've heard.

 

[metrodriver]

legalalien: evryone who had been on the property less than a year at the time of CH11 filing was laid off, not furloughed. Most of these guys were trained for the MD11 and World took a lot of them. Also a couple of senior people with a good crystal ball left to go to World.

 

[redneck jihad]

From the latest fleet expansion memo from World: "Beginning in September, the first of three additional MD-11 freighters will join our fleet.
These aircraft previously were operated by Gemini Air Cargo, which filed for bankruptcy
and ceased operations recently. We already have letters of intent from cargo customers
who will wet-lease these aircraft under long-term contracts and we have hired MD-11
pilots from Gemini to supplement the crews we will need to operate the additional
equipment."

 

[Tristar]

I was not aware that ATA ever flew DC-10's. I remember they had L-1011's, 757's, 737's, even 707's (while back). Were the DC-10's doing only DoD charters out of the AMC bases?

Actually, we had them on two separate occasions. Years ago ATA operated a -10 and a -40 (which burned on the ground at ORD). More recently, ATA got 5 of NWA's old -30's. I don't remember the exact date 701 came online, but we operated them about a year before the end came.

I believe they were one of many factors which brough about ATA's demise - the company had furloughed many of our mechanics, and on top of that they really didn't know the DC-10 like we did the L-1011, so dispatch reliability was abysmal. They were primarily used for DOD contracts, but I did spend about a week at LAX January of 2008 while we tried to operate them LAX-HNL. In my three attempts we never made if off of the gate due to maintenance issues. That was my clue that the end might be near . . .

Sorry for the thread creep, and my sympathies to the Gemini guys - hang in threre and best of luck . . .

 

[Dumb Pilot]

There is a red haired dude from Minnei called Gordon H. that went from Pinnacle to Gemini. If any of you guys know him I would like to get in touch with him, please.


Thanks, and the best of luck to all

 

[Rook]

There is a red haired dude from Minnei called Gordon H. that went from Pinnacle to Gemini. If any of you guys know him I would like to get in touch with him, please.


Thanks, and the best of luck to all

I do know that he ended up at World DP. Hope all is well with you and yours.