Gemini Cargo

[fogrunner]

Back on topic

Oh how quickly these threads turn south. Typical FI degeneration.

90% of the lines on the 11 for Jan were 17 day lines.

Do a search on here and airlinepilot. If you have more questions after your research or want clarification. Feel free to contact me.

The basic minimums for Gemini are 3000 total to include a 1000 ME PIC turbine and an ATP. There was hiccup a few years ago, they removed the PIC requirement based on zip code (no longer the case). We even had some people misrepresent themselves as to where they lived. This is not to say that if you had some quality right seat time time in a 72, 73 etc.etc. they would look at you.
Perhaps V70 can poll the new hires as to their time.

Here are my totals when I got hired but it has been a while. So, rather dated..

6600 total
2200 Jet PIC (BE400, CE650)
1800 turbprop SIC (J31, Saab 340, Emb120)
1000 Jet SIC (CRJ)

 

[2LT]

Gemini hiring...

I was hired at Gemini w/ approximately the following:

4200 TT
1360 Multi-turbine PIC [all cargo Part 135 ops]
96 Jet SIC [no glass cockpit experience -- all steam gauge]

Also, I was hired as an F/O straight into the -11. I had the least experience among the new hires in my class; save for one other person. In any case, if you're interested in Gemini, don't hesitate to send them your resume. I've since moved on, however, the flying/experience was irreplaceable.

 

[dojetdriver]

Oh how quickly these threads turn south. Typical FI degeneration.

90% of the lines on the 11 for Jan were 17 day lines.

Do a search on here and airlinepilot. If you have more questions after your research or want clarification. Feel free to contact me.

The basic minimums for Gemini are 3000 total to include a 1000 ME PIC turbine and an ATP. There was hiccup a few years ago, they removed the PIC requirement based on zip code (no longer the case). We even had some people misrepresent themselves as to where they lived. This is not to say that if you had some quality right seat time time in a 72, 73 etc.etc. they would look at you.
Perhaps V70 can poll the new hires as to their time.

Here are my totals when I got hired but it has been a while. So, rather dated..

6600 total
2200 Jet PIC (BE400, CE650)
1800 turbprop SIC (J31, Saab 340, Emb120)
1000 Jet SIC (CRJ)

Fog,

Do the 17 days include the commercial to and from the airplane or is it actually 19 on with positioning?

Also, was it supposed to go to 16/14 or did the new contract not get that?

 

[fogrunner]

Fog,

Do the 17 days include the commercial to and from the airplane or is it actually 19 on with positioning?

Also, was it supposed to go to 16/14 or did the new contract not get that?

Day 1 is travel, day 17 is travel. It is very rare that you position straight into a trip. My rotation last month started in S. Africa. It took me two days to get down there. Now you may operate into a deposition on your last day. I request ASAP travel home. Some guys will go to the hotel for 10 hours then travel home. Just personal preference.

We have a daily credit of 4 hours. 4x16.25 days=65. So with the math they use it turns into 17 days.

 

[fogrunner]

Just for curiosity,

what is the average total flight time and what kind of jet experience, the new hires had prior employment @ GAC?

V70T can give more accurate details. The Jan new hire class times range from 15000 to about 4,000 hours. Some ACA guys, 1 COEX, 1 Part 135 guy, 1 ex-ASA, Swift.
I believe 1 had no turbine PIC time, however he had considerable 72 time. The rest had over 1000 PIC tubine time. Out of the six, five had internal recommendations.
The Jan class will go to LGB for the ground school and Helsinki for the Sim.
Heard from the DO there will now be a March class, with talk of an additional 3 classes after that. Some will be transitions from the 10, how many I do not know.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

ACMI = bottom feeder.....no matter how you look at it.

I see where you're comming from, but IMO, that's not true.
For instance, ABX Air is ACMI, would you call them a "bottom feeder"?

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I see where you're comming from, but IMO, that's not true.
For instance, ABX Air is ACMI, would you call them a "bottom feeder"?

ABX Air is operating under a contract that was negotiated before they became an ACMI carrier. The only reason DHL spun them off was to weaken the unions position in future contract negotiations.

ABX may not be a "bottom feeder" in the traditional sense of the word, but they're certainly competing with bottom feeders for business. How many "heavies" are being operated out of ILN and throughout the world by companies other than ABX/Astar?

How many airplanes does ABX have parked? How many guys does do they have on the street?

When was the last time either ABX or Astar did any significant hiring/upgrades?

The Fat Lady is in voice, and preparing to make her entrance...

 

[Windsor]

Home based, 18 days a month on (in a row), and $45/hr with 65hr guarantee to start..

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Being home based is nice, but only $35,100 before taxes to start? I hope the pay scale goes up sharply after year one.

For those of you that have been there a while, on average, how many hours are you flying monthly?

 

[dhc8drvr]

Been here a year and a half, should break gaurantee by 10hrs this month (75ttl) but that rarely happens. Usually around 50-60hrs/bid.

 

[kingfisher]

Any news on replacements for the DC10s, what they will be and when are they coming? I also heard that alot of people are leaving, does this affect the upgrade time?
Thanks

 

[penguin22]

When was the last time either ABX or Astar did any significant hiring/upgrades?

ABX 767 upgrade training pipeline has been full since last May, and will stay full throughout 2007

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

ABX 767 upgrade training pipeline has been full since last May, and will stay full throughout 2007

If your upgrade classes are full, then your new hire classes must be full as well, because every pilot that "upgrades" creates a void in the seat he vacates.

Crosstraining, on the other hand (such as a DC-8/9 Captain moving over to a 767 slot), may keep a training department busy while signifying no real growth in a company.

I see that Gemini is talking about getting into the 767 ACMI business. Now, I wonder who put the bug in their a$$ to do that? Was it DHL? Or could it be....SATAN???

They're one and the same, if you ask me...

 

[penguin22]

If your upgrade classes are full, then your new hire classes must be full as well, because every pilot that "upgrades" creates a void in the seat he vacates.

Crosstraining, on the other hand (such as a DC-8/9 Captain moving over to a 767 slot), may keep a training department busy while signifying no real growth in a company.

I see that Gemini is talking about getting into the 767 ACMI business. Now, I wonder who put the bug in their a$$ to do that? Was it DHL? Or could it be....SATAN???

They're one and the same, if you ask me...

I know 5-6 recent 767 capts who came from 767 right seat. Whatever.

At first I figured you as Astar, but now I don’t think so. You’ve never had a point to make concerning ABX /Astar beyond schadenfreude. You’re just some blowhard with no inside info who enjoys listening to himself talk.

Please don’t stop posting, though! You’re just one of the many amusements on FI.com!

 

[Whistlin' Dan]

I know 5-6 recent 767 capts who came from 767 right seat. Whatever.

At first I figured you as Astar, but now I don’t think so. You’ve never had a point to make concerning ABX /Astar beyond schadenfreude. You’re just some blowhard with no inside info who enjoys listening to himself talk.

Please don’t stop posting, though! You’re just one of the many amusements on FI.com!

Schadenfreude? I know what that means, and no, it doesn't apply to me, because I don't take any pleasure in your situation. I sincerely hope that you guys stay at or near the top of the heap in pay and benefits, because that would be good for everybody in the business, including the pilots at UPS and FedEx. Unfortunately, I think that's how it's going to go.

I DO think that some people are setting themselves up for failure by proceeding on the assumption that working for ABX/Astar is in any way comparable to working for UPS or FedEx, because it's not. When a contract is being negotiated at UPS, for example, the question of whether a UPS pilot will fly UPS cargo is never in doubt. As a practical matter, what they're negotiating are issues regarding pay and QOL.

ACMI is different. A union representing an ACMI carrier first has to negotiate whether or not they'll even be on the property for the duration of the contract. That effectively removes the "floor" from the pay and QOL issues that would normally be at the heart of that contract. That also explains why an MD-11 Captain at Gemini makes less than half that of his counterpart at UPS or FedEx. Even sadder is the fact that there's no shortage of guys out there who would do it even cheaper, given the opportunity.

Now, if you want to attack me personally, that's fine. I'll sit here and sip my coffee while you enjoy your Kool-Aid. But remember...attacking me won't change your situation, or solve the challenges that face you and the pilots of every other ACMI carrier. Nor will blowing sunshine up our butts about how much "growth" is going on at ABX.

 

[penguin22]

Schadenfreude? I know what that means, and no, it doesn't apply to me, because I don't take any pleasure in your situation. I sincerely hope that you guys stay at or near the top of the heap in pay and benefits, because that would be good for everybody in the business, including the pilots at UPS and FedEx. Unfortunately, I think that's how it's going to go.

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das muss eine Freudian slip sein !!!
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