Gear Pins on the CRJ

[Simon Says]

If you fly a CRJ 200/700/900, where do you store the gear pins? Are they in the flight deck in a holder or does your company store them outside of the flight deck in the galley somewhere?

I want to ASAP something....and no, I did not take off with the pins in. I am trying to prevent this from happening anymore at our company.

 

[Brasilia Pup]

We have a gear pin holder in the cockpit closet, next to the jumpseat headset jack.

 

[Brasilia Pup]

But that NEVER ensures that there are NO gear pins in the ldg gear. Just a nice place to put the 4th, 5th, and 6th spare gear pins.

 

[OCP]

On most of ASAs 200s there is a place as stated above, however on some of them that have the modified closet the pins don't have their own place. Mostly they are just on the floor where the jackets are hung.

 

[Brasilia Pup]

or they are buried in the little headset closet in the cockpit.

 

[Simon Says]

But that NEVER ensures that there are NO gear pins in the ldg gear. Just a nice place to put the 4th, 5th, and 6th spare gear pins.

Isn't that the truth. At the company I work for they aren't even stored in the flight deck.....just back in the galley. Trying to get that changed so at least we have a fighting chance of not taking off with pins in.

 

[buscap]

Isn't that the truth. At the company I work for they aren't even stored in the flight deck.....just back in the galley. Trying to get that changed so at least we have a fighting chance of not taking off with pins in.

It's not where they are that is important. It's where they are NOT. Namely, in the gear.

Anyone who relies on seeing gear pins in the "right" place in the cockpit, will eventually takeoff with a maintenance pin, towing pin, or screwdriver, installed in the gear.

And despite the best preflight in the world, it can still happen. Some mechanics like to pin the gear for tire changes...so, you got your people loaded up and suddenly need a tire change. Bingo!! Gotcha!!

Post maintenance checks are a great idea!

 

[Brasilia Pup]

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And despite the best preflight in the world, it can still happen. Some mechanics like to pin the gear for tire changes...so, you got your people loaded up and suddenly need a tire change. Bingo!! Gotcha!!

Post maintenance checks are a great idea!

Very good words of wisdom!

 

[viper548]

SkyWest has a gear pin holder behind the FO seat. GEAR PINS-REMOVED is also on our checklist requiring a reply from both pilots.

Like someone else mentioned, it doesn't prevent different pins from being used.

 

[sayrejm]

is it not enough to check the gear to see if the pin is in? i dont mean to sound snide, i am asking because i know i havnt been around long enough to see all the "gottchas" associated with this. what could happen after the walk around that would cause you to not get the gear up?

 

[sayrejm]

ahhh... my question got answered as i read on... sorry bout that

 

[paulsalem]

At PSA they are stored just aft of the cockpit door, above the F/As equipment closet. It's a tiny little closet probably about 5" x 5"

 

[wms]

We used to shove them in the top of CB panel 1.

 

[COOPERVANE]

I just tie them to the pitot tubes..............Is that wrong?

 

[sweptback]

SkyWest has a gear pin holder behind the FO seat. GEAR PINS-REMOVED is also on our checklist requiring a reply from both pilots.

Oddly enough at ASA, for the last major POH/checklist revision a couple years ago that item was removed.

 

[wms]

Gear Pins-Removed, item 2 on the before start, but only replied by the FO.

 

[OCP]

They moved it from the CA saying removed to FO saying removed because the pins were left in a few times and the CA (almost) never does the walk around. So they were pretty sick of getting action against them for the FOs job.

 

[buscap]

Gear Pins-Removed, item 2 on the before start, but only replied by the FO.

replied by whomever did the walk

 

[LazyLightnin']

ahhh... my question got answered as i read on... sorry bout that

I'm telling you.. Adderall is your friend.

 

[wms]

Gear Pins - Removed(FO) current om

 

[piav8r]

My company has a ships set, and ONLY a ships set that a mechanic is allowed to use. Requires an MM1 entry to install the pins, and then a corrective action to show they were removed.

Still does not give up the need for due dillegence on the preflight...

 

[Hovernut]

OH has a bracket behind FO seat that holds the pins. What's nice is when MX or the ramp pulls the pins and tosses them on the FO seat, grease and all! Nice little MX write-up for the seat bottom cushion takes care of that practice.

 

[Simon Says]

Not too bad of answers.....knowing that we are on FI. Thanks all. I just needed to know that there is a way, at least with other carriers that the pins are stowed in the flight deck.

Like I said, I am tired of second guessing myself on the taxi out if I actually saw 4 pins since they are stored outside of the flightdeck.

Thanks guys and gals....Flightinfo can be useful sometimes.

 

[buscap]

Well, we can't have this!!!

Mesa Sucks!!!

 

[crj567]

We used to shove them in the top of CB panel 1.

Yep-That was a stroke of pure genius.

 

[flyboyike]

SkyWest has a gear pin holder behind the FO seat. GEAR PINS-REMOVED is also on our checklist requiring a reply from both pilots.

Like someone else mentioned, it doesn't prevent different pins from being used.

Same here, plus I usually reply - REMOVED, THEY'RE NOT DOWN THERE, meaning I don't care if they're in the cockpit or not, all I know is I checked the gear and they're not pinned.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

My company has a ships set, and ONLY a ships set that a mechanic is allowed to use. Requires an MM1 entry to install the pins, and then a corrective action to show they were removed.

Still does not give up the need for due dillegence on the preflight...

Yup I like that feature here.... And agree that preflights still need to check the 4 spots for pins or anyother thing that may be jammed in there.