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[aa73]

Boy, if that is not the absolute truth. I know of BBJ pilots making $50,000.00 a year and King Air pilots making over $150,000.00 a year.

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

 

[con-pilot]

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

Uh, just how long have you been a pilot sonny?

 

[400A]

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

Because every one of our jobs is different. Some of us fly single aircraft, some of us have fleets of 5-10. Some of us fly 100 hours a year and 5-10 days per month, and some of us fly 600 hours per year and fly 20-25 days per year.

We have NBAA survey and Pro Pilot salary surveys to negotiate with, but all in all it is what you can negotiate.

Take a stand? Think about it. We have no union, bunches of out of work pilots and retired airline guys that want to play with corporate jets. You take too big of a stand and you find yourself handing the keys to the next guy.

Fractional guys have had a little more success with a "pay scale" since they have larger fleets and a large pilot group.

What we do have over the Airlines though, it that If I leave ABC corp flying a Gulfstream, and go to XYZ corp flying the same aircraft, I will not have to start over again at the bottom of the list as an F/O making 35K.

 

[landlover]

american by birth, gulfstream pilot by the grace of god.

 

[semperfido]

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

are you jackin us? are you really that un-informed?

 

[aa73]

are you jackin us? are you really that un-informed?

Welll, pardon MOI for not being at the pinnacle of the corporate world information pipe line, "Sonny." Having never been a corporate pilot, I guess, yes, I really am misinformed on how you negotiate pay scales, if that's what indeed goes on. And I only have the airline world to compare it to.

Sheez! Folks weren't joking when I was told corporate guys can be pretty arrogant. Ask a simple question and get your head bitten off. Nevermind.

p.s. 400A, thanks for being one of the few guys here who took the time to provide some insight to a "misinformed noob."

 

[400A]

p.s. 400A, thanks for being one of the few guys here who took the time to provide some insight to a "misinformed noob."

No Problem. My Dad and both brothers are airline guys. I am used to comparing common practices. We all enjoy comparing notes. Sometimes they do not understand parts of my job, and sometimes I do not understand the union issues since I am not in that side of the industry and am not informed enough to make an opinion on one of their issues.

Believe me though, the sensitive ego comments are made on BOTH sides of the fence. There are major ego's from some airline pilots, and major ego's in some corporate pilots. Percentage wise, I would bet similar amounts.

 

[aa73]

Airline pilots with egos??? Nahhh....

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Welll, pardon MOI for not being at the pinnacle of the corporate world information pipe line, "Sonny." Having never been a corporate pilot, I guess, yes, I really am misinformed on how you negotiate pay scales, if that's what indeed goes on. And I only have the airline world to compare it to.

Sheez! Folks weren't joking when I was told corporate guys can be pretty arrogant. Ask a simple question and get your head bitten off. Nevermind.

p.s. 400A, thanks for being one of the few guys here who took the time to provide some insight to a "misinformed noob."

"Sheeez folks Iz an airline pilot and dont get around the corporate folk much, so what do I know! - yawls sure are arrogant"

Hey pops no offense, but your inquiries were so patronizing and so stupid everyone assumed you were busting balls.

 

[PilotKitch]

"Sheeez folks Iz an airline pilot and don't get around the corporate folk much, so what do I know! - yawls sure are arrogant"

Hey pops no offense, but your inquiries were so patronizing and so stupid everyone assumed you were busting balls.

I second that! Its one thing to ask a question and another to question how us corporate guys could let a king air pilot make more than a BBJ guy.

I am a big fan of the corporate structure which doesn't require years and years of sitting reserve in a sh#*bag city to make a living. Nothing against the airline guys (my pops is a 28 year legacy vet that is still a FO to get the schedule he wants) but its apples and oranges. I am more than pleased that my career is an never will be dictated by date of hire!

That said; what does any of this have to do with the original thread?

 

[rice]

I second that! Its one thing to ask a question and another to question how us corporate guys could let a king air pilot make more than a BBJ guy.

I am a big fan of the corporate structure which doesn't require years and years of sitting reserve in a sh#*bag city to make a living. Nothing against the airline guys (my pops is a 28 year legacy vet that is still a FO to get the schedule he wants) but its apples and oranges. I am more than pleased that my career is an never will be dictated by date of hire!

That said; what does any of this have to do with the original thread?

Absolutely nothing, say it again.

 

[semperfido]

Hey pops no offense, but your inquiries were so patronizing and so stupid everyone assumed you were busting balls.

This sums it up.

 

[aa73]

"Sheeez folks Iz an airline pilot and dont get around the corporate folk much, so what do I know! - yawls sure are arrogant"

Hey pops no offense, but your inquiries were so patronizing and so stupid everyone assumed you were busting balls.

Please indicate where I came off as patronizing/stupid. If I offended you guys in any way asking what seems to me to be a fair question, please accept my apologies. But it really comes as a surprise to me that the corporate piloting profession can be so splintered so as to allow a radically different pay scale between a global jet (BBJ) and a regional turboprop (King Air) whereby the King Air pilot makes almost triple what the BBJ pilot makes. It seems really wrong to me. Wouldn't the BBJ pilot making $50k have ANYTHING to say about that? And why would he take that job when he could be making triple flying a King Air? Sorry, but the logic just doesn't add up for me. Again, apologies if I came off the wrong way but I'm really curious as to how this can happen in your field. Thanks for any input. Your "lowly" airline compadre,
73

 

[SansPlane]

We all enjoy comparing notes. Sometimes they do not understand parts of my job, and sometimes I do not understand the union issues since I am not in that side of the industry and am not informed enough to make an opinion on one of their issues.

Not being informed rarely gets in the way on the "internets"... For myself, I don't get insulted in person let alone a message board - but that is just me...

 

[BoilerUP]

But it really comes as a surprise to me that the corporate piloting profession can be so splintered so as to allow a radically different pay scale between a global jet (BBJ) and a regional turboprop (King Air) whereby the King Air pilot makes almost triple what the BBJ pilot makes. It seems really wrong to me. Wouldn't the BBJ pilot making $50k have ANYTHING to say about that? And why would he take that job when he could be making triple flying a King Air?

Not all KA jobs make $150k (I'd guess VERY few do), and not all long-range bizjet jobs make $50k (again, I'd guess VERY few do).

As others have said, corporate pay is all over the map - for all locations and all airframes. Unlike collectively-bargained pay at the airlines, corporate pilots typically don't set their compensation structure - their companies do. As an example, the guy flying a King Air could help make his company vastly more profits with his work (hence being highly compensated) vs. the guy driving a BBJ for a cheap-ass HNW private owner. Its also possible that corporate pilots (with respect to aircraft size & compensation) are better negotiators at selling their value to a company than airline pilots.

While "bigger plane & longer range = more $$$" is a general rule in bizav, it isn't a hard and fast metric for pilot compensation.

And sure the BBJ pilot making $50k might have something to say about a King Air pilot making more than him...but hey, he accepted the BBJ job paying $50k in the first place so who is more to blame, the pilot who willingly accepted the terms of employment or the company who offered them?