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[aa73]

Why do people get such hardons for Gulfstreams? They look like a baby DC-9. Corporate 737 or bigger, now we're talking.

 

[AeroDork]

Why do people get such hardons for Gulfstreams? They look like a baby DC-9. Corporate 737 or bigger, now we're talking.

Well, you see, even though they're smaller than the smallest airliner, in the Corporate world Gulfstreams are the biggest, most technologically advanced airplanes in the history of the world. They're only to be flown by a special breed of aviators who's mothers gave birth to them in the cockpit of a Gulfstream using the instrument panel footrest as stirrups. They even came out of the womb wearing the Gulfstream leather jacket. No other airplane in existence is, or will ever be able to fly from one continent to another with such amazing passenger loads and in the non stop fashion of a mighty Gulfstream.

You airline pilots who can't even file your own flightplans will never understand.

 

[semperfido]

in the Corporate world Gulfstreams are the biggest, most technologically advanced airplanes in the history of the world. They're only to be flown by a special breed of aviators

so true

 

[AA717driver]

Hey, AA73, go back to your airline job you...er, wait, um nevermind.

Basically, it's the 747-400 of the corporate world. It generally pays the most and has the greatest "ramp presence". There are some lowball outfits out there but the pay and bennies are generally the top of the industry.

Plus, once you get on the Gulfstream merry-go-round, you stay there. At least, you stay in the long-range fleets--GLEX, F900 (again, generally where the bucks are).

Relatively speaking, there aren't that many Gulfstream pilots but there are a ton of 737/BBJ/757/767 guys out there so the pay isn't linear with size or weight.

That's the nutshell.

TC

P.S.--Although AeroDork was probably closer to the truth. :laugh:

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Why do people get such hardons for Gulfstreams? They look like a baby DC-9. Corporate 737 or bigger, now we're talking.

because airline guys will fly those beautiful corporate 737s for 80K....while Gulfstream and Global guys can usually get 150K without much difficulty.

"Now we're talking."

 

[con-pilot]

Okay, so just where does a corporate 757 pilot earning $250,000.00, plus bonuses, a year stand on the scale of life?

 

[aa73]

because airline guys will fly those beautiful corporate 737s for 80K....while Gulfstream and Global guys can usually get 150K without much difficulty.

"Now we're talking."

Umm... who in the U/S flies a corporate 737 for 80k???

I'm trying to understand the correlation between size/weight with corporate vs. airline and obviously I don't get it. It seems, as TC said, that Gulfstreams command the best salaries/bennies in the corporate world, yet it is not the largest/heaviest jet out there, not by a long shot. So what gives?

My airline mind conditions me to think that the bigger/heavier the aircraft is, the higher the pay (as it is in the airline world.) So, using that logic, I always thought Gulfstreams were no big deal, that the BBJs and above were the best jobs out there.

Also, I don't think that comparing corporate salaries with airline salaries is valid. Corporations have very small fleets and the $$$ to spend on nice equipment/training... and perhaps there isn't the demand for corporate jobs as there is with airline jobs. Maybe that's why airline pilots are always eager to start out earning next to nothing wages... Do corporate pilots start out that way as well? I remember earning $19K/year flying SIC on a King Air E90 back in '98, sounded pretty comparable to a first year commuter job.

p.s. AeroDork... LOL!

 

[semperfido]

Too many variables to make it finite for you. In the corp world, it is just a job, like the company accountant or lawyer or IT guy. There is a company's own pay structure to deal with, plus internal pay equity issues. Etc, Etc, etc. Heck, at one time I was making 130K flying a King Air. IT IS JUST A JOB TO THEM. They don't see bigger is always more pay. Corp pilot pay is all over the map. Always has been. IT'S NOT LIKE AIRLINES.

 

[con-pilot]

Corp pilot pay is all over the map. Always has been. IT'S NOT LIKE AIRLINES.

Boy, if that is not the absolute truth. I know of BBJ pilots making $50,000.00 a year and King Air pilots making over $150,000.00 a year.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

and perhaps there isn't the demand for corporate jobs as there is with airline jobs. Maybe that's why airline pilots are always eager to start out earning next to nothing wages...

That could be....

Corporate jobs often are not in demand, they are largely time builders to get to the big iron at the airlines.

 

[aa73]

Boy, if that is not the absolute truth. I know of BBJ pilots making $50,000.00 a year and King Air pilots making over $150,000.00 a year.

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

 

[con-pilot]

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

Uh, just how long have you been a pilot sonny?

 

[400A]

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

Because every one of our jobs is different. Some of us fly single aircraft, some of us have fleets of 5-10. Some of us fly 100 hours a year and 5-10 days per month, and some of us fly 600 hours per year and fly 20-25 days per year.

We have NBAA survey and Pro Pilot salary surveys to negotiate with, but all in all it is what you can negotiate.

Take a stand? Think about it. We have no union, bunches of out of work pilots and retired airline guys that want to play with corporate jets. You take too big of a stand and you find yourself handing the keys to the next guy.

Fractional guys have had a little more success with a "pay scale" since they have larger fleets and a large pilot group.

What we do have over the Airlines though, it that If I leave ABC corp flying a Gulfstream, and go to XYZ corp flying the same aircraft, I will not have to start over again at the bottom of the list as an F/O making 35K.

 

[landlover]

american by birth, gulfstream pilot by the grace of god.

 

[semperfido]

You're KIDDING!! How in the heck is this allowed and why don't you corporate types take a stand against it?????

are you jackin us? are you really that un-informed?

 

[aa73]

are you jackin us? are you really that un-informed?

Welll, pardon MOI for not being at the pinnacle of the corporate world information pipe line, "Sonny." Having never been a corporate pilot, I guess, yes, I really am misinformed on how you negotiate pay scales, if that's what indeed goes on. And I only have the airline world to compare it to.

Sheez! Folks weren't joking when I was told corporate guys can be pretty arrogant. Ask a simple question and get your head bitten off. Nevermind.

p.s. 400A, thanks for being one of the few guys here who took the time to provide some insight to a "misinformed noob."

 

[400A]

p.s. 400A, thanks for being one of the few guys here who took the time to provide some insight to a "misinformed noob."

No Problem. My Dad and both brothers are airline guys. I am used to comparing common practices. We all enjoy comparing notes. Sometimes they do not understand parts of my job, and sometimes I do not understand the union issues since I am not in that side of the industry and am not informed enough to make an opinion on one of their issues.

Believe me though, the sensitive ego comments are made on BOTH sides of the fence. There are major ego's from some airline pilots, and major ego's in some corporate pilots. Percentage wise, I would bet similar amounts.

 

[aa73]

Airline pilots with egos??? Nahhh....

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Welll, pardon MOI for not being at the pinnacle of the corporate world information pipe line, "Sonny." Having never been a corporate pilot, I guess, yes, I really am misinformed on how you negotiate pay scales, if that's what indeed goes on. And I only have the airline world to compare it to.

Sheez! Folks weren't joking when I was told corporate guys can be pretty arrogant. Ask a simple question and get your head bitten off. Nevermind.

p.s. 400A, thanks for being one of the few guys here who took the time to provide some insight to a "misinformed noob."

"Sheeez folks Iz an airline pilot and dont get around the corporate folk much, so what do I know! - yawls sure are arrogant"

Hey pops no offense, but your inquiries were so patronizing and so stupid everyone assumed you were busting balls.

 

[PilotKitch]

"Sheeez folks Iz an airline pilot and don't get around the corporate folk much, so what do I know! - yawls sure are arrogant"

Hey pops no offense, but your inquiries were so patronizing and so stupid everyone assumed you were busting balls.

I second that! Its one thing to ask a question and another to question how us corporate guys could let a king air pilot make more than a BBJ guy.

I am a big fan of the corporate structure which doesn't require years and years of sitting reserve in a sh#*bag city to make a living. Nothing against the airline guys (my pops is a 28 year legacy vet that is still a FO to get the schedule he wants) but its apples and oranges. I am more than pleased that my career is an never will be dictated by date of hire!

That said; what does any of this have to do with the original thread?