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But I thought Gulfstreams, with their massive brakes & thrust reversers, didn't go off wet/contaminated runways...

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2010/10/31/nl-gander-plane-runway.html

Police say a small plane carrying six people went off the end of a runway in Gander, N.L., on Saturday, apparently because of rainy weather.
The aircraft skidded off the runway at Gander International Airport around 6 p.m. NT and stopped in the grass, about a metre past the end of the tarmac, an RCMP release said.
There was no damage to the 22-seat Gulfstream IV and no one on board was hurt.
The pilot indicated certain equipment was failing as he tried to stop and believed he couldn't because of runway and weather conditions, but provided no further details, police said. It was windy and raining at the time.
The plane was en route from the Netherlands and was refuelling in Gander before continuing on a flight to Palm Beach, Fla.
The aircraft, registered to Ashton Aviation in Seattle, Wash., was pulled back onto the runway and resumed its trip to the U.S. around 9:30 p.m. NT.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/newfoundla.../31/nl-gander-plane-runway.html#ixzz14359fLdx​
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8900' or 10200' feet of runway how could you run off the end of that? I wonder what happened.
 
Hell yeah, pull it out of the mud and continue. Even after "certain equipment failing"

:D

22 seat GIV. Now thats gotta be comfy. Big windows and all.
 
Good thing it was a G-V, if it had been a Falcon 900 or 7X, it would probably still be going. :p
 
con-pilot said:
Good thing it was a G-V, if it had been a Falcon 900 or 7X, it would probably still be going. :p
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GIV.


and if it was a 7X they wouldn't have needed a lameass fuel stop (in an arctic dump like Gander) on a chip shot like EHAM-KPBI....


:)
 
ultrarunner said:
Provided nothing broke, maybe not getting down in the touch-down-zone.
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Even if they didn't land until 1/2 way down the runway they still should've been able to stop I would think. Not too many guys around that are flying a G-IV that would be making a rookie mistake like that.
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
GIV.


and if it was a 7X they wouldn't have needed a lameass fuel stop (in an arctic dump like Gander) on a chip shot like EHAM-KPBI....


:)
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...we'd still be stuck @ EHAM, most likely due to yet another FCS test fail.
 
moonlight said:
...we'd still be stuck @ EHAM, most likely due to yet another FCS test fail.
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Nothing a few reboots and a browse through the PAL/FGDA wont fix! or maybe Load 12.

BTW - I'd kill to be on the Gallatin right now also...:(
 
Like A G6 - Hook Poppin bottles in the ice like a blizzard When we drink we do it right gettin slizzard
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Nothing a few reboots and a browse through the PAL/FGDA wont fix! or maybe Load 12.

BTW - I'd kill to be on the Gallatin right now also...:(
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The Madison's been smokin' lately, especially down in the Bear Trap. The Gallatin's always pretty good. Even when it's bad...it's still pretty good.

Reaching for the PAL is a conditioned response for us now, the three things we do now when the CAS lights up are:

1. Reach for the PAL
2. Take a pic with our phone of the Status Page to send to our
mechanic and Tim Noble.
3. Figure out how many days out trip is going to be extended if the
universal solution "Reinitialize" doesn't clear things up. PFM, man.
 
moonlight said:
The Madison's been smokin' lately, especially down in the Bear Trap. The Gallatin's always pretty good. Even when it's bad...it's still pretty good.

Reaching for the PAL is a conditioned response for us now, the three things we do now when the CAS lights up are:

1. Reach for the PAL
2. Take a pic with our phone of the Status Page to send to our
mechanic and Tim Noble.
3. Figure out how many days out trip is going to be extended if the
universal solution "Reinitialize" doesn't clear things up. PFM, man.
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I'm out east man...we are into Steelhead right now but I do love a Montana trip, if I would ever get another....

Knock on wood (or a few MAU's/Selmons/CMCs etc..) but we have had a pretty trouble free plane so far.

Enjoy the fish!
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
22 seat GIV. Now thats gotta be comfy. Big windows and all.
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The airplane is certified to a max of 22 occupants. I guarantee the airplane didn't have 22 seats. Typical media ignorance when it comes to reporting aviation incidents.

As for the rest, well.....
 
GIV brakes and tires are marginal. I'm just sayin'...

TC
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
Hell yeah, pull it out of the mud and continue. Even after "certain equipment failing".
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My thoughts exactly..... especially being operated as a Part 135 aircraft.

Rumor has it the operator "Crystal Air/VNY" and the crew are not speaking about the "occurance"......
 
Why do people get such hardons for Gulfstreams? They look like a baby DC-9. Corporate 737 or bigger, now we're talking.
 
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aa73 said:
Why do people get such hardons for Gulfstreams? They look like a baby DC-9. Corporate 737 or bigger, now we're talking.
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Well, you see, even though they're smaller than the smallest airliner, in the Corporate world Gulfstreams are the biggest, most technologically advanced airplanes in the history of the world. They're only to be flown by a special breed of aviators who's mothers gave birth to them in the cockpit of a Gulfstream using the instrument panel footrest as stirrups. They even came out of the womb wearing the Gulfstream leather jacket. No other airplane in existence is, or will ever be able to fly from one continent to another with such amazing passenger loads and in the non stop fashion of a mighty Gulfstream.

You airline pilots who can't even file your own flightplans will never understand.
 
Hey, AA73, go back to your airline job you...er, wait, um nevermind. ;)

Basically, it's the 747-400 of the corporate world. It generally pays the most and has the greatest "ramp presence". There are some lowball outfits out there but the pay and bennies are generally the top of the industry.

Plus, once you get on the Gulfstream merry-go-round, you stay there. At least, you stay in the long-range fleets--GLEX, F900 (again, generally where the bucks are).

Relatively speaking, there aren't that many Gulfstream pilots but there are a ton of 737/BBJ/757/767 guys out there so the pay isn't linear with size or weight.

That's the nutshell.

TC

P.S.--Although AeroDork was probably closer to the truth. :laugh:
 
aa73 said:
Why do people get such hardons for Gulfstreams? They look like a baby DC-9. Corporate 737 or bigger, now we're talking.
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because airline guys will fly those beautiful corporate 737s for 80K....while Gulfstream and Global guys can usually get 150K without much difficulty.

"Now we're talking."

:);)
 
Okay, so just where does a corporate 757 pilot earning $250,000.00, plus bonuses, a year stand on the scale of life? :p
 
Gulfstream 200 said:
because airline guys will fly those beautiful corporate 737s for 80K....while Gulfstream and Global guys can usually get 150K without much difficulty.

"Now we're talking."

:);)
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Umm... who in the U/S flies a corporate 737 for 80k???

I'm trying to understand the correlation between size/weight with corporate vs. airline and obviously I don't get it. It seems, as TC said, that Gulfstreams command the best salaries/bennies in the corporate world, yet it is not the largest/heaviest jet out there, not by a long shot. So what gives?

My airline mind conditions me to think that the bigger/heavier the aircraft is, the higher the pay (as it is in the airline world.) So, using that logic, I always thought Gulfstreams were no big deal, that the BBJs and above were the best jobs out there.

Also, I don't think that comparing corporate salaries with airline salaries is valid. Corporations have very small fleets and the $$$ to spend on nice equipment/training... and perhaps there isn't the demand for corporate jobs as there is with airline jobs. Maybe that's why airline pilots are always eager to start out earning next to nothing wages... Do corporate pilots start out that way as well? I remember earning $19K/year flying SIC on a King Air E90 back in '98, sounded pretty comparable to a first year commuter job.

p.s. AeroDork... LOL!
 
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Too many variables to make it finite for you. In the corp world, it is just a job, like the company accountant or lawyer or IT guy. There is a company's own pay structure to deal with, plus internal pay equity issues. Etc, Etc, etc. Heck, at one time I was making 130K flying a King Air. IT IS JUST A JOB TO THEM. They don't see bigger is always more pay. Corp pilot pay is all over the map. Always has been. IT'S NOT LIKE AIRLINES.
 
Corp pilot pay is all over the map. Always has been. IT'S NOT LIKE AIRLINES.
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Boy, if that is not the absolute truth. I know of BBJ pilots making $50,000.00 a year and King Air pilots making over $150,000.00 a year.
 
aa73 said:
and perhaps there isn't the demand for corporate jobs as there is with airline jobs. Maybe that's why airline pilots are always eager to start out earning next to nothing wages...
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That could be....

Corporate jobs often are not in demand, they are largely time builders to get to the big iron at the airlines.
 

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