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Typical. 1st, the tax will infact NOT hit you, so don't say again. You will not be affected, we both know that, so quit trying to get on here like you roll 1M style, cause you don't. Next: I am a jerk now because I do not see things your way, then I call you out on your lies, "Obama will tax us through the roof", and then you get checked by me everytime you try to come on here and rationalize those lies. I am simply not going to put up with it. If you came on here and told these same lies about John McCain, I would correct you just as sharply. It not about who I want to see win, it's about having a forum with thousands of other people reading information that is simply not true. What you have written in the past is a damn lie, and I am not going to let you do it anymore, so I suggest you govern yourself accordingly or I'll be there to do it for you. Keep the lies off this forum when it comes to politickin' and especially economics.

Finally, I am not voting for Obama. I want to see McCain win so HRC can run again in '12 and fix this mess we got ourselves into in 2000.

Palin scares Obama supporters? Please.

*Former mayor of Wisilla, AK, population less than 7,000, then Governor of AK, elected simply because of the low approval ratings of the incumbant.

*Her unmarried daughter is 17 and knocked up; excellent household management there, Gov. She better not utter a word about family values.

*Gave birth to a DOWNS baby and goes back to work 3 days later. Once again, excellent judgement and decision making skills, Mayor

*She has no executive experience to speak of; Making sure the liquor stores don't close in the State she governs so people's way of life don't change does not count as Executive Experience.

*She is currently under investigation for abusing her power. Let's see, the Public Safety department director would not FIRE her former state trooper brother-in-law who divorced her sister, so Gov fired the Director. Smart GOV, really smart. BOOHOOOOOO. Your sister got dumped, and now you want to fire the guy to ditched her. Tough Sh!t, that's life. BOOHOOOOOBOOHOOO.

You still can not answer the question. What do you know about me, and my personal life. You are wrong and that is all there is to it. I did not say that I am a millionaire. Learn to read punk! Though I owe you no proof, the tax will effect me.

You are not a Jerk because you don't think like me. You are just a plain old Jerk! Yelling, Screaming putting everyone down and every airplane you don't like.

BTW, you may not believe that the Tax will effect me, I do not believe you have been anywhere near a Gulfstream, Unless you were fueling it.

You never offer anything to this board other than your "Man Up" Comments and putting everyone down.

HRC........That is funny!

Oh Yeah, back to the tax issue... try this one hot shot.
http://www.usnews.com/blogs/capital-commerce/2007/9/19/obama-pushes-for-higher-investment-taxes.html
 
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http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/08/calculate-your.html

So you do not believe that $700K tax increase would catch your Bosses attention? If he owns a G he makes way more than that. You are definitely a Line pilot if you really fly a G, and do not have to sit in the budget meeting for the Aircraft. He may not get rid of it, but I assure you, he may reconsider Pilots salaries. That would effect you I think....wait...I I forgot, You would man up and get the whole staff to walk out with you......right.
 
I looked at the Obaba tax increase in Money magazine. If you make more than $250K per year you will get about a $17 tax increase. If you make less than 250K you will get a tax cut.

Under McCain if you make $250K you will get a $7K tax cut. So really Obama gives someone making $250K or more a $7017 tax loss. That is really not that much money.

I don't know any corporate pilots with a $250K income (unless you include the spouce), so who cares?

Honestly, McCain or Obama are the status quo. Either way we lose ground as national spending increases, the budget deficit grows, etc...... We will be bankrupt in 10 years either way. That is why I only invest in gold.

There is another way to vote though......
 
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/08/calculate-your.html

So you do not believe that $700K tax increase would catch your Bosses attention? If he owns a G he makes way more than that. You are definitely a Line pilot if you really fly a G, and do not have to sit in the budget meeting for the Aircraft. He may not get rid of it, but I assure you, he may reconsider Pilots salaries. That would effect you I think....wait...I I forgot, You would man up and get the whole staff to walk out with you......right.
So which is it, do I fly a G or don't I?

You are right, I have fueled many gulfstreams.......In the late 90s when I worked line service.

Let me assure you, if there is one thing I don't give a fux about, it's whether or not you believe I fly the equipment I do. I'll be sure to think of you 2Xs a month when I check to make sure my direct deposit went through.

400A if you are upset just because I can take on more fuel than your MGTW, then just say it, and quit wishing you were up there pulling gear for me, making sure I'm clear on the right, complimenting my landings, and taking the fat one.

Oh, I'm sorry, did my GV type get in your face?

I've have no problem with the Hawker you fly, matter of fact, I am qualified to fly it as well. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt (and the Type Rating FSI ILG) several years ago. Still my favorite airplane, as it is what I learn to fly jets on, and it was my first type, although the 450's Planeview setup certainly does not hurt my feelings.

Hawker is truly a fine aircraft, though the straight 800s and XPs I flew had the ventral tank, so I am not too sure if I would like the lack of range on the 750, but I am sure it works well for you all as opposed to the Premier and Beechjet RH seats you've been accustom to keeping warm. Kudos to your boss for having the foresight to research and buy the Hawker.

Look, no need to keep up all this for everyone else to get sick and tired of. You keep learning, paying your dues, listening to the advice the PICs you fly with are giving you, and one day, you move up. It'll happen, just give it time. I am sure we'll run into each other one day at some FBO, and when we do, be sure to come over and introduce yourself to me (I'll be the 1 talking about girls, wearing a big watch, with a small cock) and I'll give you a tour of the 'ol 450 so you can see for yourself what hardwork and dedication just might bring your way. Maybe I'll even show you the private "G Man" handshake!
 
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So which is it, do I fly a G or don't I?

You are right, I have fueled many gulfstreams.......In the late 90s when I worked line service.

Let me assure you, if there is one thing I don't give a fux about, it's whether or not you believe I fly the equipment I do. I'll be sure to think of you 2Xs a month when I check to make sure my direct deposit went through. 400A if you are upset just because I can take on more fuel than your MGTW, then just say it, and quit wishing you were up there pulling gear for me, making sure I'm clear on the right, complimenting my landings, and taking the fat one.

Oh, I'm sorry, did my GV type get in your face?

I've have no problem with the Hawker you fly, matter of fact, I am qualified to fly it as well. Been there, got the T-Shirt (and Type Rating FSI ILG) several years ago. Still my favorite airplane, as it is what I learn to fly jets on, and it was my first type, although the 450's Planeview setup certainly does not hurt my feelings.

Hawker is truly a fine aircraft, though the straight 800s and XPs I flew had the ventral tank, so I am not too sure if I would like the lack of range on the 750, but I am sure it works well for you all as opposed to the Premier and Beechjet RH seats you've been accustom to keeping warm. Kudos to your boss for having the foresight to research and buy the Hawker.

Look, no need to keep up all this for everyone else to get sick and tired of. You keep learning, paying your dues, listening to the advice the PICs you fly with are giving you, and one day, you move up. It'll happen, just give it time. I am sure we'll run into each other one day at some FBO, and when we do, be sure to come over and introduce yourself to me and I'll give you a tour of the 'ol 450 so you can see for yourself what hardwork and dedication just might bring your way. Maybe I'll even show you the seceret "G Man" handshake!

Again, once your bluff is called, you have nothing to do but beat on your chest about what a stud you are. I could care less about your Gulfstream.

RH seat .... yes sir, every other leg. Because I do not have a Jack A$$ ego like you. I dont have people "Pull my Gear" or any other of the demeaning comments you made about your crew members. Those who fly with me are equal and treated as such. I just happen to report directly to the owner. As far as your opinion that you are a superior aviator or person than me, How many years have you successfully run a flight operation. (and I don't mean your ego) How many flight Department Budgets have you proposed to a Fortune 500 Company? How many Aircraft acquisitions have you handled start to finish?

BTW Sitting in the left seat when the boss lets you cause the plane is empty does not make you a Captain.

Keep sitting up there in your room in mommys house at the G-poster picking your nose, practicing secret handshakes and making airplane noise. You will grow up one day and realize that no one cares how much fuel you carry or what airplane you fly. If you tie your self worth to such things (it is VERY obvious that you do) then you live a pitiful life. Thus your need to constantly pick fights with everyone on this board.
 
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So which is it, do I fly a G or don't I?


I'll be sure to think of you 2Xs a month when I check to make sure my direct deposit went through.


Oh, I'm sorry, did my GV type get in your face?

You mean you fly a GULFSTREAM (Domestic PIC)....AND get direct deposit?

thats impressive.

Planeview or not, I simply cant believe it.
 
Again, once your bluff is called, you have nothing to do but beat on your chest about what a stud you are. I could care less about your Gulfstream.

RH seat .... yes sir, every other leg. Because I do not have a Jack A$$ ego like you. I dont have people "Pull my Gear" or any other of the demeaning comments you made about your crew members. Those who fly with me are equal and treated as such. I just happen to report directly to the owner. As far as your opinion that you are a superior aviator or person than me, How many years have you successfully run a flight operation. (and I don't mean your ego) How many flight Department Budgets have you proposed to a Fortune 500 Company? How many Aircraft acquisitions have you handled start to finish?

BTW Sitting in the left seat when the boss lets you cause the plane is empty does not make you a Captain.

Keep sitting up there in your room in mommys house at the G-poster picking your nose, practicing secret handshakes and making airplane noise. You will grow up one day and realize that no one cares how much fuel you carry or what airplane you fly. If you tie your self worth to such things (it is VERY obvious that you do) then you live a pitiful life. Thus your need to constantly pick fights with everyone on this board.
Now you are going to lecture me on what's right and what's wrong? Please. Pitiful Life? I didn't get on here speaking out of school about about political policies I know nothing about; lying to scare others into voting for someone I want to see elected. Where's the right in that?

400A, you have said repeatedly that obama is going to send taxes through the roof. I knew that was a lie, so I called you on it. Additionally, I angered you to no end. Your posts back to me were filled with anger and name calling; your other posts on 'normal days' don't have that same tone in them. So I have accomplished what I was trying to do. That same anger you felt is the same way others feel when you lie only to further your own personal agenda. It's fair to say we're both out of line

At the end of the day, you don't give a sh!t about me, and I don't give a sh!t about you. We clearly have different political views, and we are not going to change each other's minds. In so much, I don't think it appropriate for you to be dishonest about something so important. If I see it again, I'd not hesitate to call you on it. Think what you want, I'm done with this whole conversation.

Enjoy your Hawker, and I'll enjoy my C152 in between my time pumping gas at the local FBO where I am earning $ so I can pay for my Instrument Rating and tying my self-worth to material things while enjoying this pitiful life.
 
Now you are going to lecture me on what's right and what's wrong? Please. Pitiful Life? I didn't get on here speaking out of school about about political policies I know nothing about; lying to scare others into voting for someone I want to see elected. Where's the right in that?

400A, you have said repeatedly that obama is going to send taxes through the roof. I knew that was a lie, so I called you on it. Additionally, I angered you to no end. Your posts back to me were filled with anger and name calling; your other posts on 'normal days' don't have that same tone in them. So I have accomplished what I was trying to do. That same anger you felt is the same way others feel when you lie only to further your own personal agenda. It's fair to say we're both out of line

At the end of the day, you don't give a sh!t about me, and I don't give a sh!t about you. We clearly have different political views, and we are not going to change each other's minds. In so much, I don't think it appropriate for you to be dishonest about something so important. If I see it again, I'd not hesitate to call you on it. Think what you want, I'm done with this whole conversation.

Enjoy your Hawker, and I'll enjoy my C152 in between my time pumping gas at the local FBO where I am earning $ so I can pay for my Instrument Rating and tying my self-worth to material things while enjoying this pitiful life.

Done because once I show the exact proof of what I said, you change the subject. Still saying that I was wrong. I am very aware that the tax programs may not effect me much, but they WILL effect the guy who signs my paycheck. The question on the thread was about the industry not just me . Just another example of when someone ask about a 2.5 million dollar aircraft, and you say a Falcon 50....Enough Said.
 
Don't be impressed. Direct Deposit is not all it's cracked up to be.

Maybe not....but a GULFSTREAM rating?.....and DOMESTIC PIC?...

now thats some serious stuff.

Do they just put money in your account a few times a month? how does that work?
 
Further proof to the age old line; Two things you can't argue... Religion and politics. Look what this thread has come to. I almost thought I was on the "Regionals" board
 
"My owner can beat up your owner!"
"Oh yeah? Well, your owner is a bitch, and mine isn't."
"Yeah, but my owner's penis size is 1/2 inch longer than yours."
"Uhhh... and... yeah... that'll show you!"

Relax children! I find it rather hilarious that in this fine nation, which as an immigrant, I find to be by far, the best nation in the world, our two only realistic choices for president are:

A) An inexperienced, yet well-spoken black man who appears to not know how many states there are in the U.S. ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMQOkzFG7Kc )

or

B) A geriatric cancer patient who's been in politics for way too long and is about to croak.

Amazing... simply amazing.
 
Have not been on here in a couple of years and figured I would look in on you guys to see how things were going. I see nothing has changed.

Hawker, your points valid, but the In Your Face approach you take is not doing you any favors. Your fellow pilots would be more receptive to what you have to say if you found a more tactful way to get your point across. I see you have a new type in the GV. The 450 is as solid as they come. Enjoy.

400A, congrats on the new ride. I hope you are enjoying the Hawker as much I as did when I flew it not too long ago. You should check your facts on the Obama plan and McCain as well. I think both of them are nitwits, but compared to what we have had the past few years, I expect either to be much better. You did let Hawker get the best of you. That's not the type of guy I remember you being. From reading the posts, you could see what he was setting you up for a mile a way. Be careful of letting people push your buttons like that. You don't want something like that flowing over into the front office one of these days. Good luck to you in that Hawker.

G200, why do you keep posting 'Domestic PIC' quote from Hawker's profile? We, as do many other flight departments, have PICs flying as captain only domestically, especially PICs new to the airplane. Get them a little time in type along with a few INTL trips with an experienced Capt, then they are approved for INTL Ops as PIC, essentially unrestricted PIC ops per the operating manual our organization has in place. I guess I just don't understand what it is that you are getting at. You're awfully quick to cast the 1st stone, which is especially surprising with your questionable laundry list of type ratings. I'm baffled as to why a professional with your listed experience gets involved in conversations like this, just as I have seen you do so many times in the past. You'd think I guy with your quals would be better than this garbage. Something about you just doesn't add up, but I think you know that already. Good Day, Gents...
Maybe not....but a GULFSTREAM rating?.....and DOMESTIC PIC?...

now thats some serious stuff.

Do they just put money in your account a few times a month? how does that work?
 
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400A, congrats on the new ride. I hope you are enjoying the Hawker as much I as did when I flew it not too long ago. You should check your facts on the Obama plan and McCain as well. I think both of them are nitwits, but compared to what we have had the past few years, I expect either to be much better. You did let Hawker get the best of you. That's not the type of guy I remember you being. From reading the posts, you could see what he was setting you up for a mile a way. Be careful of letting people push your buttons like that. You don't want something like that flowing over into the front office one of these days. Good luck to you in that Hawker.

Thanks, I see your point.

Sorry that was your welcome back to FI. It has actually been a lot better lately. There has been lots of good info on here recently.
 
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G200, why do you keep posting 'Domestic PIC' quote from Hawker's profile? We, as do many other flight departments, have PICs flying as captain only domestically, especially PICs new to the airplane. Get them a little time in type along with a few INTL trips with an experienced Capt, then they are approved for INTL Ops as PIC, essentially unrestricted PIC ops per the operating manual our organization has in place. I guess I just don't understand what it is that you are getting at. You're awfully quick to cast the 1st stone, which is especially surprising with your questionable laundry list of type ratings. I'm baffled as to why a professional with your listed experience gets involved in conversations like this, just as I have seen you do so many times in the past. You'd think I guy with your quals would be better than this garbage. Something about you just doesn't add up, but I think you know that already. Good Day, Gents...


Thanks for you analysis and mediation.

We also have Domestic and Intl PICs.

Hawker F/O has come here and made an ass of himself too many times, it was just to point out how impressive his GEE450 job is and how he loves to talk about it, yet they wont let him take it to London....he loves to toot his horn but cant be trusted to cross the North Atlantic. Mighty impressive....:0

My guess is he is simply a type rated "Co-Captain"....oh, with direct deposit and a loud mouth on Flightinfo.com.

Something about ME does not add up? such as what? questionable laundry list of type ratings?

Thats a pretty bold assumption on your part, especially surprising as you strive to be the best manager you can be.


This place HAS been much better lately, now get rid of the 2 or 3 clowns that have nothing to offer to the group?....and it would be a very useful board.

Unfortunately, with the way it's run, that will likely not happen soon.
 
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LRvsH25B-

I tried to have a civil debate with Hawker F/O and you see how it turned out. People just get sick of the few on here that make a total a$$ of themselves, which is why I stopped engaging him in the conversation.

I have to agree with G200, if you look back at some of the replies Hawker made to 400a, he was the one making the big deal about what he flies, how big his paycheck is, etc. Sometimes you just have to try not to get insulted and realize they are motivated to spread ignorance.

I agree, it has been good lately, with the exception of a few.
 
Have not been on here in a couple of years and figured I would look in on you guys to see how things were going. I see nothing has changed.

Hawker, your points valid, but the In Your Face approach you take is not doing you any favors. Your fellow pilots would be more receptive to what you have to say if you found a more tactful way to get your point across. I see you have a new type in the GV. The 450 is as solid as they come. Enjoy.

400A, congrats on the new ride. I hope you are enjoying the Hawker as much I as did when I flew it not too long ago. You should check your facts on the Obama plan and McCain as well. I think both of them are nitwits, but compared to what we have had the past few years, I expect either to be much better. You did let Hawker get the best of you. That's not the type of guy I remember you being. From reading the posts, you could see what he was setting you up for a mile a way. Be careful of letting people push your buttons like that. You don't want something like that flowing over into the front office one of these days. Good luck to you in that Hawker.

G200, why do you keep posting 'Domestic PIC' quote from Hawker's profile? We, as do many other flight departments, have PICs flying as captain only domestically, especially PICs new to the airplane. Get them a little time in type along with a few INTL trips with an experienced Capt, then they are approved for INTL Ops as PIC, essentially unrestricted PIC ops per the operating manual our organization has in place. I guess I just don't understand what it is that you are getting at. You're awfully quick to cast the 1st stone, which is especially surprising with your questionable laundry list of type ratings. I'm baffled as to why a professional with your listed experience gets involved in conversations like this, just as I have seen you do so many times in the past. You'd think I guy with your quals would be better than this garbage. Something about you just doesn't add up, but I think you know that already. Good Day, Gents...

Not that G200 needs me to back him up but WTF are you to question his list of type ratings???
Rest assured G200 has 'em all.
And for all who know him, he is exactly what he appears to be, a good friend, pilot and one of the wittiest persons you'll ever meet.
 
After reading the voting records of the Obama, Biden, Pelosi, and Hillary crowd, they scare the hell out of me. No way I will vote for them.
 

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