Furloughed - Now Where? Need Advice...

[Going2Baja]

Hi All, 1st time post - Great website. For this post I'm really looking for info from active Fractional/Charter/Corporate Pilots that can give insight to the world of Charter/Corporate flying.

I did some corporate with my CFII/MEI who was a charter/corp. pilot in the late 80's and I liked the fact that the a/c were new and the destinations where always changing. The waiting around at FBO's and not knowing when you get home got old after a while but that's the nature of the beast I think.

I think I may have to work on my currency a bit as the last large a/c I actually flew was with Skywest in Oct 2000. Leaving there for NWA I had 7000 TT, 2000 Turbine PIC (EMB-120), 6000 MEL. I spent 1 1/2 years sideways on the 727 for 520 FEX hrs and now I'm back in the game with +/- 75 hrs Piston SEL C-207 in the last year flying Eco-Tourists down to Baja Mexico (yes it sounds fun and it is, but I need someone to show me the $$$ http://forums.airlinepilotcentral.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

I'm starting to work some leads at my local airport in So Cal for some right seat jet time.

Would you stay in the charter /corp. world or try to get with a Net Jets/Flex Jet ASAP? Also anyone in a position of hiring in the So Cal area I'd be happy to hear from you as well.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read and reply.

Tim.

BTW - Low time pilots looking to build time flying SEL to Baja, please PM me if interested and living in the San Diego area.

ps. Also posted in Corporate - would like to cover all my bases - sorry if this is wrong to do. Thanks again all!!

 

[Flyingdog1]

opps!

 

[Semore Butts]

Read it

FEX= Flight Engineer

 

[AA717driver]

Why'd you leave Fed Ex?

He was lured away by the glamorous life of a Frac pilot... Sorry, I just couldn't keep from hitting the send key... TC

 

[Diesel]

Don't go corp all they do is sit around the airport waiting for the boss to show up on that 20th hour.

Sorry couldn't resist hitting the send key.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Hell, you live in CA, why not become the next Heath Ledger, screw this aviation crap.

 

[Pervis]

NJA-no suprise there. Jet currency isn't as important as one would think. I exited the USAF in '88 and flew piston and turboprop for 12 years and got in no problem. Still a ground floor oportunity as growth is exponential for the foreseeable future. NJA.com will take you through the process. PM me if you want further details.

 

[gutshotdraw]

Baja,

Feel for you, man. Steenland has done a magnificent job at ruining one of the proudest names in aviation.

My advice is this: Apply to every fractional. Take every interview you can (you are more than qualified). Accept the offer you think best for yourself and your family. And, don't accept the position if they require you to resign your seniority. You may find you enjoy fractional flying better than Red Tail but miracles happen and NWA may one day be back. Keep those options open. Best of luck.

 

[Swaayze]

Which fracs require seniority resignation?

 

[Going2Baja]

Swaayze - you took the words right out of my mouth!! I'll see if I can change the direction of this thread. Thanks. Tim.

 

[Semore Butts]

F6868K the fractionals!!!!

I've heard this before. You can resign your ass off as far as I can see.

I don't see how anybody but American, or NWA or whom ever can take your seniority number.

It's up to them to recognise whether you have resigned your number, not the gaining fractional.

At least thats how the conversation concluded when I was in indoc (had a NWA guy in my class).

 

[Swaayze]

Well, there are no guarantees. I've heard rumors that some carriers are not honoring resignation letters, but then I've heard that those same carriers now are considering them official.

Regardless, I just don't operate that way. If I tell someone I'm resigning my seniority in order to get a job, then I intend to honor my word and consider myself no longer eligible for recall.

 

[Going2Baja]

I agree w/ you Swaayze - if you say you are going resign then you should. But if a new company doesn't ask you or require you to then you should be smart and keep your doors open.

Butts - Are you saying tha NJ does not require the resignation? Or was it even addressed?

Anyone else deal with this in a NJ or other fractional interview?

Thanks....

 

[acaTerry]

Come on over to NetJets!

 

[Going2Golf]

Furloughed from Indy Air, was never asked at the interview anything about resigning my seniority.

 

[Semore Butts]

Yeah Bro!

Who is NJA in the "Chain of Command at Northwest?United/US Air or anyone else? (They won't)

They don't control your seniority at any of those companies???? They control your seniority at Netjets, nowhere else.

As the above poster stated, I don't know of anyone that has been ask to resign their number.

My experience is military, I'm telling you what I have been taught by my Flex and Netjets buddies.

It does make sense though.

Hey come on over, you may like it.. My airline buddies get a "woody" when I tell them almost every other leg is a dead head.

You have to agree on what CD to put on though, I don't do hip hop on dead heads, or any leg for that matter.

 

[Going2Baja]

Resume and cover letter on the way - however I don't have any inside Letters of Rec except form the NJ - Int. side (different appl.) Anyone interested in a Tritip BBQ and becoming my newest friend (Carlsbad, CA?) Or any X-Skywest pilots from before 2000? Thanks for all the info guys - this site is invaluable!

 

[Hogprint]

I remember after 9/11 some of the AA guys saying it (resigning seniority) came up in the interview, but never heard about it again. I think AA wasn't accepting it anyway.

 

[Semore Butts]

Agreed Hogprint

Yes, thats the point.

Netjets has no say over whether your number at American is active.

(Netjets) "Hey American, I hired your guy, he is no longer on your seniority list"

(American) "Really? "Well we'll see when I call them back whoes seniority list they end up on"?

You get the point.... I hope.

 

[Going2Baja]

I understand that Nj has nothing to do with my senority but some companies do ask you to submit 'them' a letter of your resignation if they hire you. Then NJ would mail the letter for you to your old company. Companies like AA are realnice about throwing the letter in the round file however NWA isn't. I would just really hate to be put in that position on the spot. That's my point.