Furloughed flexer's

Nolife

Tired Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2003
Posts
547
Total Time
4000+
Where have y'all ended up? I went back to what nature seems to have intended for me ... flying big boxes in small planes for smaller money.

BTW... since I got furloughed I called my credit card companies and tried to furlough them and they laughed at me. Any advice on bankrupcy verus just not paying for a while until I'm back on my feet.
 

aveator

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 1, 2007
Posts
131
Total Time
14,500
well, sorry you`re in that situation..it sucks..if you dont pay your bills for x amount of time you go delinquent,,that could stay with you forever,,bad debt is suppose to be off your credit report in 7 years,,but if the credit card companies send the info again lets say in 5 years that 7 years starts again,,so youre basically gambling on the fact they will forget about you..if they get a judgement against you they can seize your bank account,,it happened to my brother,,they seized his checking account,,they dont care you have to put food on the table trust me...if you go the bankruptcy route,,theres light at the end of the tunnell,,your credits whacked,,but it would be anyway,,plus your bank account is safe..all this depends on how much youre in debt,,,if its a couple grand just work it out with companies,,if its major dollars go the bankruptcy route,,theres a couple ways to do it,,best thing is consult attorney,,hope it helps,,hopefully youll be off furlough soon......
 

Nolife

Tired Member
Joined
Jan 23, 2003
Posts
547
Total Time
4000+
I knew about the judgements and the 7 years negative however I didn't know they could resubmit the negative value after seven years essentially keeping your score down indefinately.

Wife moves toward bankrupcy I just don't want to have future employers discount me due to bankrupcy.

Damned if you do damned if you don't. :(
 

aveator

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 1, 2007
Posts
131
Total Time
14,500
this is purely my opinion,,I think bankruptcy looks better then just blowing your creditors off,,bankruptcy shows that youre taking the steps to clean it up,,not paying,,well that looks like you dont give a sh*t...I say do what you gotta do...consult an attorney and they can spell out what filing chapter would best suit your situation..Hope it works out for you...oh yeah,,when a company charges a bad bebt off,,they either a,,just forget about it,,or b,,sell it to someone,,now here is where you get f_cked,, the entity that bought the bad debt for pennies on the dollar,,they want to turn the screws and try to get full balance from you,,you can bargain with them and maybe get away with paying pennies on the dollar,,but know this they will run against your credit forever,,they may wait til 6.5 years and run it agian which starts the clock over again..fyi
 

DUATS

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 23, 2009
Posts
279
Total Time
23
To answer first question, I got the military to take me back.

To answer second question, there are ways to deal with the debt without bankruptcy. The problem with debt reappearing comes about if you literally do nothing. If your finances don't let you pay anything know, one option would be to ignore them for about six months - then go back to them with a cash offer to settle. Word to the wise: don't offer to settle unless you have CASH to make a lump sum payment. Don't give them access to your checking account - send money orders only. Make sure you get an agreement in writing. After 6 months of no payments, you can probably settle for about 50% of the original amount (ignore the interest and penalties they keep adding). This dings the credit rating, but not as much as ignoring it or going bankrupt.

Check out www.daveramsey.com for professional advise on getting out of debt. His system has changed alot of lives.
 

unclepetey

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Posts
92
Total Time
6000
I am also furloughed but I would do anything possible to honor my debts. Afterall, nobody forced you to take out these credit cards. But at some point you have no other choice. I wish you the best, if you are going to declare bankruptcy do it with style and milk it for all its worth.
 

amaineiac

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 16, 2002
Posts
204
Total Time
Enough
Check out www.daveramsey.com for professional advise on getting out of debt. His system has changed alot of lives.
+1

Declaring bankruptcy should be your absolute last choice. From what I understand, not all types of debt are forgiven during a bankruptcy either.
 

CherryBomb

Former freight trash
Joined
Oct 19, 2005
Posts
246
Total Time
4000
Sorry to hear about the debt problems. I've been walking the line on that as well. Plus Im close to the bottom of the recall list. Ugh...

I don't know where you are based. If you are DFW based you might consider the Dallas Police Department. They, as with most PD's, are hiring. Dallas starts at 42k with a 10k sign on bonus. That sure helps with bills and its probably better than flying boxes. Not sure if law enforcement is your thing, but government jobs are fairly safe for now...

I was lucky to find a job in Indonesia. Its dang hot here but it pays the bills and all living expenses are paid for. If your wife is adventurous, most companies are willing to move your family as well. I have found out that once you get overseas, the opportunities start to multiply. I loved my job at Flex, but its going to be hard to leave this money and the QOL here. Round eyes can live like kings over here for very little money...

Good luck fellas.
 

DUATS

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 23, 2009
Posts
279
Total Time
23
+1

Declaring bankruptcy should be your absolute last choice. From what I understand, not all types of debt are forgiven during a bankruptcy either.
Taxes and student loans never go away, even in bankruptcy.

If you have a car or house loan, they DO go away - but so does the house or the car.

Unless you are REALLY poor, the Court puts you on a pay-back plan that can extend 5 years - and can adjust annually if you start making more money.

Oh, and don't try the debt consolidation people - rip off artists who keep the first payments you make, send nothing to the credit cards, and you keep getting the nasty phone calls.
 

ProFracPilot

What's it doing now?
Joined
May 1, 2003
Posts
701
Total Time
8000
Oh, and don't try the debt consolidation people - rip off artists who keep the first payments you make, send nothing to the credit cards, and you keep getting the nasty phone calls.
Debt consolidation = no good. A REPUTABLE credit counseling service (usually faith-based) = good. It's been almost 20 years, but working with CCCS allowed us to avoid bankruptcy. With the IRS you're on your own, but they allowed me to negotiate a low payment. Just don't miss a one, or else they come after everything - immediately. Don't ask me how I know. With CCCS and some increase in our household income, our recovery from the financial mess we were in took about 4 years. Although the tax liens and other "bad credit" stuff remained on our credit reports for 7 years, the creditors were lining up to give us crazy credit limits in that short of time. Trust me, we've never gone back there.

The best advice here is from DUATS. Start by reading everything Dave Ramsey has before you do anything.
 

bunman45

goose
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Posts
112
Total Time
500000
Has any of the ACP's or CP called you guys with an update or to see how your doing? If your really in need of money, I recommend the sperm bank. $50 per donation. When I was laid off a few years back, the extra $10,000 I made really helped me out. Keep your heads up guys.
 

unclepetey

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 24, 2007
Posts
92
Total Time
6000
Has any of the ACP's or CP called you guys with an update or to see how your doing? If your really in need of money, I recommend the sperm bank. $50 per donation. When I was laid off a few years back, the extra $10,000 I made really helped me out. Keep your heads up guys.

I'm going to be a millionaire then.
 

FMR8251

Member
Joined
Mar 19, 2007
Posts
22
Total Time
4500
I'm doing as much military as I can. Currently doing a few months out east...way east. Wife and kid not thrilled, but good pay, all tax free.
 

EatSleepFly

Well-known member
Joined
May 18, 2003
Posts
648
Total Time
Some
Has any of the ACP's or CP called you guys with an update or to see how your doing?
No. A lot of the line pilots care enough to keep in touch though, which is really nice and always appreciated. Nothing from management, but I think it would be a nice gesture if they'd at least give us an official update once a month or so. Doesn't even have to be in depth, just something besides internet rumors and speculation. I won't be holding my breath.
 
Last edited:

glasspilot

Well-known member
Joined
May 17, 2004
Posts
1,622
Total Time
9K'ish
Most depressing thread ever. Sorry guys. I sure hope it works out for all fellow pilots.
 

-FlyAuburn-

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 7, 2007
Posts
225
Total Time
5500
The FAA has received funding to hire 1000 aviation safety inspectors this year. There is an open job posting for this position that closes on Sept 30th.

Apply here:

https://jobs01.faa.gov/asap/default.ASP?WCI=p_Banner&WCE=ceAgree

I am seriously considering it as an alternative if I get furloughed this summer at NJ. Some of the requirements are 1500 total time, commercial or ATP, and 2nd class medical. It pays somewhere (depending on your equivalent experience and qualifications) between 41k and 77k. And of course it comes with government benefits.

My old boss and friend did this two years ago after closing his 135 business and seems to be liking it. He went to two months of training in OK City. A month of inspector training and a month of accident investigation training. They gave him a month off in between. He also just recently went to King Air initial at FSI to start doing some flight check work. (flying approaches to inspect ILS/LOC/VOR equipment integrity) They also pay for a certain amount of hours in small planes a year to keep you current.

Kind of like going to the dark side but not a bad alternative for a furloughed pilot looking for some stability.
 

brokeflyer

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 12, 2005
Posts
2,374
Total Time
1501
I think its a great job. I retired from there about 10 years ago and loved it. Although doing 135 rides in a learjet was ok, you can find yourself doing CFI rides in a 172.
 
Top