Furloughed Delta Pilots at Comair?

[Freddie Spencer]

DBA's

If Comair was furloughing, and Delta was hiring would then DL open the door for "on the street" Comair pilots, instead of pickin up their squadron buddies? Personally I don't really think so...

 

[NYRANGERS]

General,

I don't think that's the attitude at all. I think you DL guys do your best to antagonize the hell out of the comair guys and visa versa.

I really do understand where you guys are coming from.. I don't think you guys have a clue where we're coming from though. There is a happy medium somewhere between our interests. It's not an all or nothing situation and it's about time people realize that.

For the past three years + we have been hearing how "evil" mainline pilots (of all airlines) are. We then had to listen to comair pilot after comair pilot defend the position of not helping out the Delta pilots. It then came down to comair MEC and managment saying you (comair pilots) "would burn the house down, if you had to work with furloughed Delta pilots".

All that raised many emotions for a long while. Now we are over it, we respect your (comair) position. We don't agree with it, but respect it non the less. Now that many Delta pilots agree with you by saying we shouldn't fly in the same cockpits....you guys are now upset?

Again, I don't see a ban on hiring comair pilots (unless the "burn the house down" quote is used by our management). There simpley wont be any help for comair pilots. Although Delta may just expect an unsuccesful comair interviewee to sue if he/she is turned away. So maybe Delta will take a similar stance comair management took, except they won't interview you. No opportunity to resign your # and no chance to "burn the house down".

NYR

 

[NYRANGERS]

If Comair was furloughing, and Delta was hiring would then DL open the door for "on the street" Comair pilots, instead of pickin up their squadron buddies? Personally I don't really think so...

Not sure what would have happened in the past. I am sure what would happen now.

NYR
Hired by Delta (and every other pilot job) by networking. Excuses are getting old.

 

[Vortilon]

737,

Race you to Plato's office! (or whoever is doing it then!)

 

[General Lee]

Vortilon,


I will be the next Plato. And, for some reason, I really like ASA pilots.....


Bye Bye--General Plato

 

[Freddie Spencer]

DBA's just don't get it...

I am sure what would happen now.
QUOTE]Maybe you don't have to worry about' since your (former) airline is about to visit bankruptcy court (just like PAN AM, TWA and Eastern did).

 

[NYRANGERS]

I am sure what would happen now.
QUOTE]Maybe you don't have to worry about' since your (former) airline is about to visit bankruptcy court (just like PAN AM, TWA and Eastern did).

Oh I see, so you are saying....

I dont' have to worry because my hypothetical to your hypothetical is moot due to your new hypothetical.

NYR
Cin over Mia.

 

[Looking4Traffic]

An honest, serious question for DAL737FO and other Delta pilots:

I'm a Comair pilot who came onboard long after the decision was made to forbid furloughed Delta pilots to keep their seniority number if hired by Comair. Unfortunately, no one ever told me that taking the job at Comair would condemn me to scorn with the very pilot group that I ultimately wanted to join. It was just never discussed during the hiring process at Comair and I had not yet been exposed to this message board.

What should I do now? If I quit my $38K a year job and fly for someone else, would that help my cause or am I forever scorned from joining Delta's fine pilot group because of my prior association with Comair? If that's the case, and I can't ever fly for Delta because the pilot group will "do everything in their power" to ensure that I not get hired, how should I treat members of the Delta pilot group in the meantime? When they come up to our cockpit to jumpseat, should we say, "good afternoon, brother -- it's a real pleasure to have you join us. Even though I'm condemned to never fly with you because of a decision that was made by my MEC (or the company or our pilot group) before I came here, it's still a pleasure to have you commute home on our little airline?" Is that the way I should conduct myself? Is there anything I can do to avoid your condemnation and disdain short of leaving the only job that I currently have to support my family?

I'm just looking for a little guidance here. Thanks in advance for your considerate replies.

Oh, I forgot to ask something else. A former neighbor of ours is in mid-level management at DAL. After having one-too many glasses of wine after dinner one night, she reported that DAL absolutely LOVES the in-fighting between the pilot groups because it diverts attention away from the real party who's responsible for making our lives miserable. Does that sound right to you?

You will always be my brothers, irrespective of what you may think of me. I wish you blue skies, strong careers and great success. I hope that you can believe that I feel that way even though I also want to keep my job too.

 

[General Lee]

Lookingfortraffic,



I don't think it will hurt you that you are a Comair pilot. It might not help you, though. If you have dreams of being a Delta pilot, go for it. Someday we will hire again, and I probably won't be the one doing that(maybe, although I will volunteer). But, there will be plenty of Delta pilots informing the hiring people that they apreciated ASA's help. Recent quotes from management types about the possibilities of eventual hiring is great to hear, but in the mean time we need to take care of business.





Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[NYRANGERS]

An honest, serious question for DAL737FO and other Delta pilots:

I'm a Comair pilot who came onboard long after the decision was made to forbid furloughed Delta pilots to keep their seniority number if hired by Comair. Unfortunately, no one ever told me that taking the job at Comair would condemn me to scorn with the very pilot group that I ultimately wanted to join. It was just never discussed during the hiring process at Comair and I had not yet been exposed to this message board.

What should I do now? If I quit my $38K a year job and fly for someone else, would that help my cause or am I forever scorned from joining Delta's fine pilot group because of my prior association with Comair? If that's the case, and I can't ever fly for Delta because the pilot group will "do everything in their power" to ensure that I not get hired, how should I treat members of the Delta pilot group in the meantime? When they come up to our cockpit to jumpseat, should we say, "good afternoon, brother -- it's a real pleasure to have you join us. Even though I'm condemned to never fly with you because of a decision that was made by my MEC (or the company or our pilot group) before I came here, it's still a pleasure to have you commute home on our little airline?" Is that the way I should conduct myself? Is there anything I can do to avoid your condemnation and disdain short of leaving the only job that I currently have to support my family?

I'm just looking for a little guidance here. Thanks in advance for your considerate replies.

Oh, I forgot to ask something else. A former neighbor of ours is in mid-level management at DAL. After having one-too many glasses of wine after dinner one night, she reported that DAL absolutely LOVES the in-fighting between the pilot groups because it diverts attention away from the real party who's responsible for making our lives miserable. Does that sound right to you?

You will always be my brothers, irrespective of what you may think of me. I wish you blue skies, strong careers and great success. I hope that you can believe that I feel that way even though I also want to keep my job too.

If and when Delta hires, you will be able to apply and try to get an interview. I don't think there will be anything to stop you, it just may not be to an advantage to come from comair. With 1000's of people (historicaly) competeing for a few jobs, it may be a deciding factor as to why some did not get the job.

I however could be wrong. Delta management may use comairs own collective words as an excuse not to hire comair pilots. "burn the house down" was a stupid thing to say. It may have come from comair management, but it was the preception the mec gave them.

So I imagine you will be able to work here, it may be a little harder in the interview due to the comair pilots stance on 1310 furloughed pilots.

I wish you luck and I wouldn't worry to much about it.

NYR

 

[FDJ2]

If Comair was furloughing, and Delta was hiring would then DL open the door for "on the street" Comair pilots, instead of pickin up their squadron buddies? Personally I don't really think so...

It has never been the policy of the DAL MEC to require a furloughed ALPA pilot to resign his recall rights. The same can not be said of the CMR MEC.

 

[FDJ2]

how should I treat members of the Delta pilot group in the meantime? When they come up to our cockpit to jumpseat/QUOTE]

The same way you would expect to be treated if you came into an DAL cockpit looking for the jumpseat.

 

[General Lee]

I never treat any jumpseaters poorly, and I always try to make them comfortable. I would hope they would treat me the same when I need a ride.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Pez D. Spencer]

I've jumpseated Delta a bit to commute. I've had a great time with a couple of crews -- one MD captain that cracked me up the whole flight (I would say that was the best js ride I have had -- the guy was hilarious) -- 757 reserve crew that were great to ride with, good time, good conversation -- a 767 Captain that wouldn't put up with a rather snotty gate agent that didn't want to re-do the paperwork to include 2 jumpers. I've ridden with crews that were just quiet -- but who could blame them for that. But, I have had one bad ride. An MD captain that basically blasted on me from the time the door closed. Most uncomfortable 2 hours I've spent in a cockpit, including checkrides. I was, of course, a captive audience to his Comair bashing and all-in-all rude comments. Although I was happy to get home, I think if I see that Cpt. again, I'll just wait for the next flight. One bad experience isn't all that horrible. If anything, it's a good lesson on how you don't want to treat someone -- nothing like learning first hand what it feels like to be ridiculed on the js for 2 hours.

I've also had many Delta jumpseaters on board. Always professional. I too try to make them feel comfortable, General.

Remember folks -- no matter how we jab at each other on this board, the jumpseat is important. Don't make someone have a horrible ride by talking airline politics. Leave it alone. Be professional. And that should go for all airlines -- it really shouldn't even need to be said.

Thank you to all the Delta, ASA, ACA, and Comair crews that I have jumpseated with. I appreciate the lift home!

 

[spinproof]

Wow you ASA guys heads up!!! Sounds like 737,the General,NYR and the rest are queer for you guys!!!!A little advice..next time through ATL if you should happen to drop your keys, kick them all the way to plane side BEFORE you bend over to pick them up!!!!!!!! ...ever wonder why those loosers hang out over here.....hmmmm?

Oh yeah the groupie complex...!