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Welcome to America!! Remember, Larry is the venture capitalist, the entrepreneur, the "management asset" and not the "labor liability". This is what American business is all about, making a few 'risk takers' wealthy at the expense of the many cowardly dummies and then listen to the TV hacks and the $150K-$175K feaux rich wannabe's make excuses for the status quo.

This is the beauty of laissez faire capitalism with it's unrestricted markets and lack of regulation. Why we all know a bunch of clean cut, white boys who go to church every Sunday (and the right church at that) would never do anything wrong. This is the way it is supposed to be, there are those meant to serve and those meant to lead. We have to reward our management 'talent' or we will lose them.

Can anyone else think of an excuse I left out? Oh, one more thing, if you don't like it, you don't have to live here ( this I heard for the last 8+ years. Of course many of those people who mindlessly parroted that crap don't like Obama but they still live here.)

I won't be getting a furlough letter this time but I am out of hope. I am prepared to clean up the cockpit one last time so I can hand it over nice and clean to the United pilot that will soon occupy the space I have been in the last 5 years. What's the big deal, I handed over my space at TWA after 7 years there.

I have been accused by my fellow pilots of being part of an entitlement generation. We felt entitled to not sit reserve for 10 years, to upgrade to captain before we turned 57, to make more than a McDonalds employee as a newhire. If I ever complained about these issues I was firmly rebuked by my older colleagues that I knew the rules when I got on with CAL.

Interestingly enough, many of these colleagues are now flying at ages 61, 62, and soon 63 years of age, even though they knew the rules when they hired on with the airlines 20+ years ago. Apparently having a 'right' to a part-time job that pays upwards of 200K a year isn't some sort of entitlement sense. More cannibalism by those who have already had their share (who decides who's share is enough?-says the Limbaughs of the country) at the expense of those waiting in the wings and struggling.

Who has any hope left out there? Not only about this profession, but about any profession in this world that is rapidly evolving. What are my kids supposed to do to get by? We don't want to provide them something like healthcare, fine, but we don't care if they are provided employment opportunities to obtain healthcare either, especially if we can help out our own 401K's returns. Where do we think all this is going to lead? I have seen the gates on the gated communities that many of the Kellner's of the world live in, and I don't imagine those partitions could hold back an angry mob of the hopeless.

Sorry this is so off message with the furlough thread. The post by HHH tripped a switch inside me. I suppose my somewhat liberal underlinings are showing through and I accept all the criticism such displays entail in what is a predominantly conservative profession which necessarily promotes the status quo. This status quo is killing all of us, not just these 308 latest victims.

To my friends and colleagues at CAL who got the letter, my most sincere sympathies and best wishes. I will be joining you shortly I am sure.

Great post, I would gladly give up my seat at COEX for you guys that might be headed for the street and take your place in the unemployment line. I am young and without kids and in much better shape to weather the storm. Unlike the generation before us I believe my generation is less selfish and willing to take a few punches to improve the overall career. Guys like you have paved the way for guys like me to even be flying 121 with as little time as I do. The worse thing IMHO was for CAL and COEX pilots was to cancel the flow through program. One brand, one list, and one contract is needed now more than ever! Best of luck to anyone facing furloughs this fall, I'll see you in the unemployment line.
 
Are you kidding? To be furloughed again in 6 months for the next 10 years? No thanks..........


OK...lets think about this a little...Please post or look up how many retirements are going to happen at UAL and CAL in the next 10 years...Do you REALLY think you will be out that long??? No way.
 
Kugel-
What did Kellner do to get himself behind that gated community that you can't do? Keep your kids away from airplanes until they're ready to buy one for the company they own.
 
Here's what I just did and what I would like every Chief Pilot and senior manager at CAL to do....

Read every name, every last name of the bottom 300, on our CAL seniority list aloud and then imagine them with a wife or a husband, 2 kids, and a mortgage.

I want dignity and respect and I want it now! No furloughs!!!

Signed,
One of the 300
 
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Here's what I just did and what I would like every Chief Pilot and senior manager at CAL to do....

Read every name, every last name of the bottom 300, on our CAL seniority list aloud and then imagine them with a wife or a husband, 2 kids, and a mortgage.

I want dignity and respect and I want it now! No furloughs!!!

Signed,
One of the 300

Unfortunately, the only thing these units see when they read our names is dollar signs going into their pockets. Corporate greed is out of hand. This has to stop NOW.
 
Kugelblitz-

Best post I've read in a while. Thanks for that.

Best approach brief ever at TWA was 604/804, any questions?

Regards............

Amen!!! Nowadays an approach briefing is about like listening to the entire book of "War and Peace" being read aloud!!
 
Furloughs are part of this industry. That is one reason to get your seniority number fast!

Back in the day it was very common for people to get furloughed once or twice or during seasonal furloughs.

Today, most pilots feel that they should never be furloughed. It sucks, but it is a reality of this business.

One of my friends waited to apply with CAL until mid 2007, he was hired early 2008. Furloughed last Sept. Why did he wait? Because he was comfortable at his previous regional job (crazy in my mind). I feel bad that he is furloughed, but he did choose to wait a while before he applied. Because of that he was hired at the back end.

In summary, furloughs are bad but they are reality.
 
Furloughs are part of this industry. That is one reason to get your seniority number fast!
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That "furloughs are part of the industry" is about the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard. Too many pilots think of lame assed reasons to justify bull******************** and that "part of the industry" stuff isn't going to work. It's just going to piss folks off even more. It's a weak d**k comment to make, and is an excuse that folks who have no interest in protecting flying until it affects them use to sit on their hands. STHU with that BS SFR.

I do remember when retiring at 60 was "part of the industry". I suppose you argued against TCAS, x,band radar, and GPWS being installed in passenger aircraft because it was "part of the industry" to fly around without it beforehand. You don't to tell folks that they are getting F'd over because it's part of the industry. Don't you think you are painfully and weak-fully stating the obvious? Do you go to your local hospice and tell patients there that they are dying because they have cancer? Do you tell them no need for cancer research because folks have always died from cancer?

If you want to justify your insensitivities you better look for a different way because your lame assed excuse won't cut it and I hope folks see right through that lame comment.
 
I know he posts on here to get a rise out of everybody but Sean will be bumped off the 757 on this next bid and reserve on the 737 is whole different animal. He will not have as much time to post on here.
 
I know he posts on here to get a rise out of everybody but Sean will be bumped off the 757 on this next bid and reserve on the 737 is whole different animal. He will not have as much time to post on here.

This news brightened my afternoon. Thank you.
 
I can't say that I'm amazed at how close it comes to the DOT vote to approve the UAL/CAL antitrust application. Wasn't the application even supported by the CALMEC? Your positions are simply being redirected - Outsourced in other words. How many actually took the time to rant to their lawmakers about the possibility of job losses with an approved ATI? I hope not just the 300+ joining me...
 
Haha...... once again I can get a rise out of this board anytime I feel like it.....


Chow....See you in 737 class bubba
 
It did not brighten mine... I am 1 number senior to Sean on the 757/767 in IAH..... Now, EWR or 737 IAH? Time to ponder(hopefully not going anywhere)

IAHERJ


Don't worry, we are not going anywhere. Most of the folks on here are doom & gloom types....

I love that VRF though!!!!! Either way, the 737 would have some better layovers, and finally, no more long haul int'l!!!!!!
 
I know he posts on here to get a rise out of everybody but Sean will be bumped off the 757 on this next bid and reserve on the 737 is whole different animal. He will not have as much time to post on here.


At least he won't have to take a step down every time he enters the flight deck.
 
What is the net fleet count doing in 2009 and 2010? Are the aircraft retirements exceeding 737 next gen deliveries? What projections for ASMs is Continental providing for 2009 and 2010?
 
I think we are only going to have 7 less airframes at the end of 2010 than we will have at the end of 2009 when we park a bunch of classics. The staffing, however is based on block hours and I think the 737 block hours are being reduced. The 757/767's will still be busy in IAH as we pick up a daily Frankfurt on the 767 as well as the daily Rio(GIG) as well as the daily GRU vs the 1 stop to GIG through GRU that we do now. Military charters on the 767 will keep the EWR guys busy even though there will be a pull down of the trans-atlantic flying in the form of frequency this Fall. I know the Pacific(Guam) is being looked at as an area to divert some capacity. HNL yields are actually starting to look better given the situation in other places in the world.
 
It did not brighten mine... I am 1 number senior to Sean on the 757/767 in IAH..... Now, EWR or 737 IAH? Time to ponder(hopefully not going anywhere)

IAHERJ

Sorry to hear that. You seem socially well adjusted, lacking the mutated chromosome that predisposes some to endlessly troll internet forums - unlike your potential training partner. Having been through it myself several times I really don't wish downward movement on anybody, though the obnoxious bleatings of your smarmy coworker test my patience.
 
Sean Roth,

You better hope that karma doesn't exist. It must be wierd going through life gathering a large list of people that can't wait to dance on your grave. It takes a abnormal psyche to enjoy tormenting others. Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gien come to mind....

Please stop hitting your wife.

P.S. E.A.P. can help, just give them a call. Feel free to P.M. me for a direct contact number. Good luck.


Haha...... once again I can get a rise out of this board anytime I feel like it.....


Chow....See you in 737 class bubba
 
Sean Roth,

You better hope that karma doesn't exist. It must be wierd going through life gathering a large list of people that can't wait to dance on your grave. It takes a abnormal psyche to enjoy tormenting others. Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gien come to mind....

Please stop hitting your wife.

P.S. E.A.P. can help, just give them a call. Feel free to P.M. me for a direct contact number. Good luck.



HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.....hhheeehheehheee...>HAHAHHHAHAHAHAA.....hehehehehe


Now, go pay your bills.
 
Sean Roth,

You better hope that karma doesn't exist. It must be wierd going through life gathering a large list of people that can't wait to dance on your grave. It takes a abnormal psyche to enjoy tormenting others. Jeffrey Dahmer and Ed Gien come to mind....

Please stop hitting your wife.

P.S. E.A.P. can help, just give them a call. Feel free to P.M. me for a direct contact number. Good luck.


BTW, I would hardly consider folks from this website a long list of people. You guys are mostly olf PFTers anyway....like I really care. I just think it is funy how I can control all of your posts anytime I feel like it.
 
ALPA was notified late this afternoon that the company will be sending out as many as 308 letters to pilots notifying them of a possible furlough. These letters are required by New Jersey state law.

Have any (contractual) furlough letters been sent out yet?

Sincerely,

B. Franklin
 
Negative. These letters are anticipatory furlough numbers and are required to be sent out IAW New Jersey law.

I would hope they wait until the notice of proposed rule making comes out on pilot fatigue, as staffing requirements will be changing. It would be stupid (but not beyond mgmt stupid) to furlough and then immediately recall.

Navin...
 
I know he posts on here to get a rise out of everybody but Sean will be bumped off the 757 on this next bid and reserve on the 737 is whole different animal. He will not have as much time to post on here.

Will Sean be bringing his pillow to the 737?
 

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