Furlough Letters Being Sent out at CAL

[Smarta$$]

Welcome to America!! Remember, Larry is the venture capitalist, the entrepreneur, the "management asset" and not the "labor liability". This is what American business is all about, making a few 'risk takers' wealthy at the expense of the many cowardly dummies and then listen to the TV hacks and the $150K-$175K feaux rich wannabe's make excuses for the status quo.

This is the beauty of laissez faire capitalism with it's unrestricted markets and lack of regulation. Why we all know a bunch of clean cut, white boys who go to church every Sunday (and the right church at that) would never do anything wrong. This is the way it is supposed to be, there are those meant to serve and those meant to lead. We have to reward our management 'talent' or we will lose them.

Can anyone else think of an excuse I left out? Oh, one more thing, if you don't like it, you don't have to live here ( this I heard for the last 8+ years. Of course many of those people who mindlessly parroted that crap don't like Obama but they still live here.)

I won't be getting a furlough letter this time but I am out of hope. I am prepared to clean up the cockpit one last time so I can hand it over nice and clean to the United pilot that will soon occupy the space I have been in the last 5 years. What's the big deal, I handed over my space at TWA after 7 years there.

I have been accused by my fellow pilots of being part of an entitlement generation. We felt entitled to not sit reserve for 10 years, to upgrade to captain before we turned 57, to make more than a McDonalds employee as a newhire. If I ever complained about these issues I was firmly rebuked by my older colleagues that I knew the rules when I got on with CAL.

Interestingly enough, many of these colleagues are now flying at ages 61, 62, and soon 63 years of age, even though they knew the rules when they hired on with the airlines 20+ years ago. Apparently having a 'right' to a part-time job that pays upwards of 200K a year isn't some sort of entitlement sense. More cannibalism by those who have already had their share (who decides who's share is enough?-says the Limbaughs of the country) at the expense of those waiting in the wings and struggling.

Who has any hope left out there? Not only about this profession, but about any profession in this world that is rapidly evolving. What are my kids supposed to do to get by? We don't want to provide them something like healthcare, fine, but we don't care if they are provided employment opportunities to obtain healthcare either, especially if we can help out our own 401K's returns. Where do we think all this is going to lead? I have seen the gates on the gated communities that many of the Kellner's of the world live in, and I don't imagine those partitions could hold back an angry mob of the hopeless.

Sorry this is so off message with the furlough thread. The post by HHH tripped a switch inside me. I suppose my somewhat liberal underlinings are showing through and I accept all the criticism such displays entail in what is a predominantly conservative profession which necessarily promotes the status quo. This status quo is killing all of us, not just these 308 latest victims.

To my friends and colleagues at CAL who got the letter, my most sincere sympathies and best wishes. I will be joining you shortly I am sure.

Good post. At least a few of us get the big picture.

 

[lookin4better]

My guess is a merger soon, and Larry will be named CEO of United very shortly therafter.

 

[Jiminmem]

Kugelblitz,

Although I disagree with a few of your points, unfortnately as a whole, it was spot on with many of our current problems.

 

[Flopgut]

It hasn't been a shot across the bow, more like through the hull over the years. Like the UAW or other unions, there's very little that can be done during difficult financial conditions. It's all about mitigation at this point until quarter to quarter profitability returns.

The UAW didn't get their nuts ripped off by the Railway Labor Act. Or we'd be buying loaded Chevys for ten grand. ALPA needs to layout the long train of abuses the RLA has heaped onto us and fight for the RLA benefits.

www.pilotpensionnow.com

 

[Skippy]

So United announced a decrease of 7% international flying for the last quarter...did they tack on a number of pilots that will be furloughed? I did not see any.

exactly-- they dont want to announce anything b/c the place would explode or do u rememeber last summer when they announced it-- and the email we just rec'd about sick calls above normal levels etc.

they dont want to announce all the bad news at once, they like to deliver it over time-- its a tactic

 

[max motoring]

Kugelblitz-

Best post I've read in a while. Thanks for that.

Best approach brief ever at TWA was 604/804, any questions?

Regards............

 

[Browntothebone]

In spite of the recent furlough news, when do you think CAL will hire off the street again and what will the mins be?

 

[ualdriver]

So United announced a decrease of 7% international flying for the last quarter...did they tack on a number of pilots that will be furloughed? I did not see any.

According to the union rep. I talked to this morning, they are not anticipating any more pilot furloughs in regards to that 7% announcement. Apparently it's just a reshuffling of aircraft.

 

[jmreii]

Excellent post, Kugelblitz!

My only wish is for more people to go overseas to see how to run a business in the long term instead of the short term. I think it is time to go to vegas and try a short term hand at craps, papa needs some new shoes.

 

[whatitdoing?]

And in a merger...we MUST put language in the combined contract that ALL furloughed UAL and CAL pilots are returned to the property before anything is signed....and credit is given for time out on furlough.

Are you kidding? To be furloughed again in 6 months for the next 10 years? No thanks..........

 

[cybourg10]

Welcome to America!! Remember, Larry is the venture capitalist, the entrepreneur, the "management asset" and not the "labor liability". This is what American business is all about, making a few 'risk takers' wealthy at the expense of the many cowardly dummies and then listen to the TV hacks and the $150K-$175K feaux rich wannabe's make excuses for the status quo.

This is the beauty of laissez faire capitalism with it's unrestricted markets and lack of regulation. Why we all know a bunch of clean cut, white boys who go to church every Sunday (and the right church at that) would never do anything wrong. This is the way it is supposed to be, there are those meant to serve and those meant to lead. We have to reward our management 'talent' or we will lose them.

Can anyone else think of an excuse I left out? Oh, one more thing, if you don't like it, you don't have to live here ( this I heard for the last 8+ years. Of course many of those people who mindlessly parroted that crap don't like Obama but they still live here.)

I won't be getting a furlough letter this time but I am out of hope. I am prepared to clean up the cockpit one last time so I can hand it over nice and clean to the United pilot that will soon occupy the space I have been in the last 5 years. What's the big deal, I handed over my space at TWA after 7 years there.

I have been accused by my fellow pilots of being part of an entitlement generation. We felt entitled to not sit reserve for 10 years, to upgrade to captain before we turned 57, to make more than a McDonalds employee as a newhire. If I ever complained about these issues I was firmly rebuked by my older colleagues that I knew the rules when I got on with CAL.

Interestingly enough, many of these colleagues are now flying at ages 61, 62, and soon 63 years of age, even though they knew the rules when they hired on with the airlines 20+ years ago. Apparently having a 'right' to a part-time job that pays upwards of 200K a year isn't some sort of entitlement sense. More cannibalism by those who have already had their share (who decides who's share is enough?-says the Limbaughs of the country) at the expense of those waiting in the wings and struggling.

Who has any hope left out there? Not only about this profession, but about any profession in this world that is rapidly evolving. What are my kids supposed to do to get by? We don't want to provide them something like healthcare, fine, but we don't care if they are provided employment opportunities to obtain healthcare either, especially if we can help out our own 401K's returns. Where do we think all this is going to lead? I have seen the gates on the gated communities that many of the Kellner's of the world live in, and I don't imagine those partitions could hold back an angry mob of the hopeless.

Sorry this is so off message with the furlough thread. The post by HHH tripped a switch inside me. I suppose my somewhat liberal underlinings are showing through and I accept all the criticism such displays entail in what is a predominantly conservative profession which necessarily promotes the status quo. This status quo is killing all of us, not just these 308 latest victims.

To my friends and colleagues at CAL who got the letter, my most sincere sympathies and best wishes. I will be joining you shortly I am sure.

Great post, I would gladly give up my seat at COEX for you guys that might be headed for the street and take your place in the unemployment line. I am young and without kids and in much better shape to weather the storm. Unlike the generation before us I believe my generation is less selfish and willing to take a few punches to improve the overall career. Guys like you have paved the way for guys like me to even be flying 121 with as little time as I do. The worse thing IMHO was for CAL and COEX pilots was to cancel the flow through program. One brand, one list, and one contract is needed now more than ever! Best of luck to anyone facing furloughs this fall, I'll see you in the unemployment line.

 

[contrail67]

Are you kidding? To be furloughed again in 6 months for the next 10 years? No thanks..........

OK...lets think about this a little...Please post or look up how many retirements are going to happen at UAL and CAL in the next 10 years...Do you REALLY think you will be out that long??? No way.

 

[ip241au]

"What dates of hire are we talking about if the go to 300"

March/February 2007

 

[Bringupthebird]

Kugel-
What did Kellner do to get himself behind that gated community that you can't do? Keep your kids away from airplanes until they're ready to buy one for the company they own.

 

[Captain X]

Wow. PoconoPilot is really slipping isn't "she?"

 

[Super Monkey]

Here's what I just did and what I would like every Chief Pilot and senior manager at CAL to do....

Read every name, every last name of the bottom 300, on our CAL seniority list aloud and then imagine them with a wife or a husband, 2 kids, and a mortgage.

I want dignity and respect and I want it now! No furloughs!!!

Signed,
One of the 300

 

[HHH]

Here's what I just did and what I would like every Chief Pilot and senior manager at CAL to do....

Read every name, every last name of the bottom 300, on our CAL seniority list aloud and then imagine them with a wife or a husband, 2 kids, and a mortgage.

I want dignity and respect and I want it now! No furloughs!!!

Signed,
One of the 300

Unfortunately, the only thing these units see when they read our names is dollar signs going into their pockets. Corporate greed is out of hand. This has to stop NOW.

 

[Captain X]

I want dignity and respect and I want it now!

We cannot demand dignity or respect, but we can command it through our safe, unified, and professional action as a pilot group.

 

[Kugelblitz]

Kugelblitz-

Best post I've read in a while. Thanks for that.

Best approach brief ever at TWA was 604/804, any questions?

Regards............

Amen!!! Nowadays an approach briefing is about like listening to the entire book of "War and Peace" being read aloud!!

 

[macdu]

We cannot demand dignity or respect, but we can command it through our safe, unified, and professional action as a pilot group.

Yaaaa.........mmmmm....oookkkk, that's worked real well for us hasn't it.