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[The Drizzle]

I am a 2001 hire at F9 and I am equivalent to a 2004 hire at RAH in seniority. Who is sticking to who Buddy!
Our chickens will not be coming to roost in your house.

I love that you blame us for the result versus the inadequate representation you had for the SLI. If the arguments your representation stuck with throughout the proceedings got you this result, why are you blaming the side that better defended their position? I'd be pissed as hell in your shoes, but the "we're better than them" attitude presented here and in your arguments didn't get you far.

And you want us to vote for the RPC? The product of such deft leadership?

Also, rogerwilcoout is likely a pedophile.

 

[sitnresrv]

As a former Midwest pilot who was out on the street as more Republic planes and crews moved into MKE, it's the ultimate form of hypocrisy to read this guys post. Although I don't hold any ill will toward the Republic pilot group, the ignorant anger of one who feels betrayed even though he came in and replaced one of my former friends is nauseating.

 

[aussieflyboy]

Pot meet ketel......just change the 170 for 145xr and reading the Houston chronicle employment section

You could argue that. I'd say there's more than a little difference. Continental has the most restrictive scope of any of the legacy carriers. We fly a 50 seat jet and get paid more than nearly anyone else to do so. Are there routes that we fly that should be flown by mainline aircraft? Of course there are. The Republic guys flying the 100... Err... I mean 99 seat E190s are flying a plane with almost identical capacity and capabilities as the jets they replaced, and they're doing it for pennies on the dollar. If you can't see the difference then I can't help you...

 

[AirBill]

I am a 2001 hire at F9 and I am equivalent to a 2004 hire at RAH in seniority. Who is sticking to who Buddy!
Our chickens will not be coming to roost in your house.

No, but they will surely roost in your house. When you lay down with a snake...

 

[Bolo]

As a former Midwest pilot who was out on the street as more Republic planes and crews moved into MKE, it's the ultimate form of hypocrisy to read this guys post. Although I don't hold any ill will toward the Republic pilot group, the ignorant anger of one who feels betrayed even though he came in and replaced one of my former friends is nauseating.

DRIZZLE are you listening? +1
RAH BRO!

 

[Popeye0537]

You could argue that. I'd say there's more than a little difference. Continental has the most restrictive scope of any of the legacy carriers. We fly a 50 seat jet and get paid more than nearly anyone else to do so. Are there routes that we fly that should be flown by mainline aircraft? Of course there are. The Republic guys flying the 100... Err... I mean 99 seat E190s are flying a plane with almost identical capacity and capabilities as the jets they replaced, and they're doing it for pennies on the dollar. If you can't see the difference then I can't help you...

Yeah, the difference is you guys were flying 274 jets for Connie....we fly 17 for the now defunct Midwest airlines that we bought. Now explain how many mainline jobs at Connie you take away flying your jet for a fraction of what an FO makes.

 

[sshrae]

Yeah, the difference is you guys were flying 274 jets for Connie....we fly 17 for the now defunct Midwest airlines that we bought. Now explain how many mainline jobs at Connie you take away flying your jet for a fraction of what an FO makes.

Why do you post? You are a POS, nobody at your own airline can even stand you.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Yeah, the difference is you guys were flying 274 jets for Connie....we fly 17 for the now defunct Midwest airlines that we bought. Now explain how many mainline jobs at Connie you take away flying your jet for a fraction of what an FO makes.

It sure is not ALL OF THEM!

 

[aussieflyboy]

Yeah, the difference is you guys were flying 274 jets for Connie....we fly 17 for the now defunct Midwest airlines that we bought. Now explain how many mainline jobs at Connie you take away flying your jet for a fraction of what an FO makes.

Does this really need to be explained? The CAL contract which THEY voted on and agreed to allowed 50 seat flying to be outsourced. Their outsourcing is capped to 50 seats, which allows much more of their flying to be done in-house on mainline aircraft than any other legacy carrier.

In the RAH/YX case, one airline was systematically dismantled; their well paid pilots thrown out like yesterday's garbage while a bunch of eager punks, making $37 per hour, jumped in to the same sized aircraft doing the same flying.

Do you see the difference yet?

 

[titans10]

Your days are numbered. I hope you have a plan "B" 'cause you are headed out the door! I cannot wait to see your butts on the street after the turmoil you have created. You asked for it - now you got it. Lick your wounds and move the hell on.

I would be very carefull what you put in print on the forms. You never know what will bit you later in your career.

 

[Flying Illini]

after SIX YEARS of "negotiations"

Just to set the record straight, it's been just over 4 years. Contract amendable 10/2007, we opened 4/2007.

Doesn't make it any better but it hasn't been 6 years. The turmoil with the Local 747 slowed things down but not by much. The only reason we don't have a TA is b/c of mgmt, not b/c we haven't been trying on our end. We propose something better than the FAR's and mgmt. balks and "negotiations" continue to drag out.



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[Popeye0537]

Does this really need to be explained? The CAL contract which THEY voted on and agreed to allowed 50 seat flying to be outsourced. Their outsourcing is capped to 50 seats, which allows much more of their flying to be done in-house on mainline aircraft than any other legacy carrier.

In the RAH/YX case, one airline was systematically dismantled; their well paid pilots thrown out like yesterday's garbage while a bunch of eager punks, making $37 per hour, jumped in to the same sized aircraft doing the same flying.

Do you see the difference yet?

You just don't get it do you?? You steal mainline jobs and hide behind the fact that because they allow it. When we BOUGHT midwest, we flew 70 seat aircraft for industry standard rates....rates that are better than what your company pays. Last time I checked a 717 has double the capacity what a 170 does.

You young punks eagerly fly a 50 seat aircraft on a 737's old route for $40 an hour, but hey its ok because they allow it......

 

[A320kid]

You just don't get it do you?? You steal mainline jobs and hide behind the fact that because they allow it. When we BOUGHT midwest, we flew 70 seat aircraft for industry standard rates....rates that are better than what your company pays. Last time I checked a 717 has double the capacity what a 170 does.

You young punks eagerly fly a 50 seat aircraft on a 737's old route for $40 an hour, but hey its ok because they allow it......

This guy ^^^ can't be serious?!?!

Haha, funny joke popeye.

 

[aussieflyboy]

You just don't get it do you?? You steal mainline jobs and hide behind the fact that because they allow it. When we BOUGHT midwest, we flew 70 seat aircraft for industry standard rates....rates that are better than what your company pays. Last time I checked a 717 has double the capacity what a 170 does.

You young punks eagerly fly a 50 seat aircraft on a 737's old route for $40 an hour, but hey its ok because they allow it......

According to a seat map I just pulled up from "seatguru.com", the Midwest Airlines Boeing 717-200 had 99 seats. 44 "signature" seats, and 55 "saver" seats. Can you please remind me how many seats your E-190 aircraft hold?

Yes, we do fly a 50 seat aircraft for $40 per hour. You fly a 99 seat aircraft for $37 per hour. I could draw you a graph if you like, but let's just assume that you're smart enough to see a difference there.

What do you mean "well that's ok because they allow it". You sound like you're being disingenuous with that statement. It IS ok, because they DID allow it. Due to the CAL pilots voting in language that allowed 50 awarded to be flown by a different pilot group, they created my job. You were installed to replace a mainline pilot group (the whole group, it's worth noting) flying the EXACT same size equipment for well under half the pay. How does that make you feel?

 

[aussieflyboy]

By the way, let's just see how these rates that are "better than what my company pays" really measure up shall we?

Republic:

12 year E170 CA: $87
12 year E190 CA: $96
4 year E145 FO: $37
12 year E190 FO: $37

ExpressJet:

12 year E145 CA: $85
4 year E145 FO: $39
8 year E145 FO: $44

Midwest:

12 year B-717 CA: $138
12 year B-717 FO: $91

That's just talking about pay, disregarding the fact that you don't have cancellation pay and your work rules generally suck. It was never my intention to rub your nose in any of this by the way. The OP just got under my skin.