Frontier Vs. Continental...

[sluggo]

Just wondering what your opinions are on the above airlines for long term pilot careers?? Thanks, Sluggo!

 

[Pilotbob3]

CO, easy choice! Big Boeings, international....etc.

 

[FlyBoeingJets]

CO, easy choice! Big Boeings, international....etc.

Yeah, Boeings rule.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

DEN vs IAH, CLE, & EWR

 

[Delville]

It all depends on what you are looking for. In terms of which airline is more likely to be around longer, it seems that Continental is the clear winner. It has a stronger balance sheet and has the international route structure which will become a more and more important competitive advantage as globalization becomes more entrenched. However, you have to consider commuting issues, pay issues, etc and all of the other intangibles that affect your ability to want to stay with the airline long-term.

 

[Z_Pilot]

Apples and Oranges

 

[Daddy]

I know this will probably start a flame war by some of the flamers on here...no pun intended, but...I would think long and hard before going to an ALPA represented carrier in this environment...huge consolidation is on the horizon and the integration of two seniority lists by date of hire or some variance thereof would probably not work in your favor at CAL if they merged lists with UAL, DAL, or NWA....ask some of the newer hires at AWA how secure they feel right now and I'll bet they'll tell say they are at least a little concerned. I don't know what the plan there is but merging lists never goes well....Reno, TWA, heck even Morris had a lawsuit filed and those guys made out pretty well. Who knows, CAL may not merge with anyone and if they did I'm not saying you would get screwed, but it's just something to think about. CAL is doing great and FRNT is doing pretty well, too...either way, those are 2 good choices, but I'd definitely factor some future uncertainty in there...just something to think about...fire when ready...

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Here's another thought. F9 has a fair amount of competition in DEN. A post bankruptcy restructured UAL may give them a run for their money. UAL is already hurting F9 yields I'm sure. I'd also be concerned with WN coming into COS. Although it hasn't been discussed I see more and more flying happening in COS. I don't know what WN factors into deciding what city to add next but COS seems like a logical addition. WN could siphon a lot of business away from F9. The budget travel crowd will happily drive to COS and COS is a much less expensive airport for an airline to operate from.

 

[Pilotbob3]

Daddy is right! its not a matter of "if" but "when " you will get screwed by ALPA. it doesn't matter where you work ALPA will hose you...unless you are the ALpa president. and i mean National mostly.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

I know this will probably start a flame war by some of the flamers on here...no pun intended, but...I would think long and hard before going to an ALPA represented carrier in this environment...huge consolidation is on the horizon and the integration of two seniority lists by date of hire or some variance thereof would probably not work in your favor at CAL if they merged lists with UAL, DAL, or NWA....ask some of the newer hires at AWA how secure they feel right now and I'll bet they'll tell say they are at least a little concerned. I don't know what the plan there is but merging lists never goes well....Reno, TWA, heck even Morris had a lawsuit filed and those guys made out pretty well. Who knows, CAL may not merge with anyone and if they did I'm not saying you would get screwed, but it's just something to think about. CAL is doing great and FRNT is doing pretty well, too...either way, those are 2 good choices, but I'd definitely factor some future uncertainty in there...just something to think about...fire when ready...

Actually, there is a lot of inaccuracy in this post pilotbob. I suggest Daddy reads the ALPA Merger Manual as well as some background information on the Allegheny/Mohawk LPP's. This whole "ALPA is the boogeyman" thought process simply doesn't make sense to me at all. Lots of emotion backed by very little facts.

-Neal