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[Minimaniac]

Little Icarus those Jets got so Shiny that you got blind....

Flying regional jets is just one step in my overall career. I checked off a lot of other boxes before I came here, and flew a variety of props along the way. I know you like to think that we regional pukes are all just drooling over the chance to fly a jet, but if you look at the number of part 121 turboprop positions vs. part 121 regional jet positions in the last 7 years, you will see that a substantial majority of part 121 entrants have to fly jets by default. There are simply far more jets than props in service at the regionals today, and where props are used, crews are generally utilized more efficiently, resulting in a smaller ratio of crews per airframe than for RJ's.

For example, you would need to add up the prop fleets of Colgan, Commutair, Great Lakes, Gulfstream, Horizon, Lynx, and Mesaba just to equal the size of the RAH jet fleet. I'm not boasting about fleet size here, I am just pointing out that the number of Part 121 props in this country is far less than regional jets. So blame my ego if it makes you feel good, but if you ever decide to use those reasoning skills that supposedly make you qualified to be a professional aviator, you will see that RJs are inevitable stops on the career path of this nation's newest professional pilots.

 

[embraerjetpilot]

Maybe they will go back to the Chautauqua Way which was free alcohol!

 

[Full of LUV]

Omg....

Yup. Single seniority list from Caravan through Airbus, with no outsourced flying. What an evil and cancerous concept. You may point to the pay (of an "expired" contract), but you overlook the successful killing of an alter-ego airline, and you overlook scope that keeps all flying in house and all pilots on one list, with no aircraft too small to be included. Personally, I would rather build my future upon a contract with great scope and work to improve pay than build my future on a contract with great pay and loose scope.

And before you call me a hypocrite because I fly scoped out airplanes, let me remind you that mainline pilots gave me this job, and I could not have interviewed at a major airline with the low hiring numbers and high turbine PIC requirements of the past 8 years.

I am willing to put in the work to improve this place. And I am glad that our scope gives me the security of knowing that my company can't replace or outsource my job. It amazes me how critical everyone is of RAH when we are one of the few airlines that has solid scope that has never been conceded.

OK, now I have heard everything! Your company EXISTS due to Scope violations and loopholes. In fact most of it's revenue has been derrived through the exploitation of other peoples scope loopholes and contract violations. Now you are proud of a place that offers payrates that are a third of the company that they replaced? Are you gonna work hard for that 150% payrate increase? Or is Frontier just doomed to being told that they cost too much and need to come down to the rest of the groups rates? Amazing, I have heard everything now!

 

[Minimaniac]

Or is Frontier just doomed to being told that they cost too much and need to come down to the rest of the groups rates?

Let's see, Bedford has publicly stated his desire to raise the current F9 Airbus rates by about 3%, and wants to keep their contract in place for three more years. So I am going to have to say that, no, Frontier will not be told to step in line.

And I don't know if I would call it "exploiting loopholes" in scope. When Delta pilots say "you may fly x number of 76 seat airplanes", and RAH then gets 76 seat airplanes, it seems like a straight forward business deal to me. And while I personally am not in favor of the entire Midwest fiasco, you need to ask yourself if any fewer jobs would have been lost had Republic not gotten involved. Midwest management lost those 717's to Boeing. There would still be 0 jobs remaining within a year had republic or anyone else not stepped in.

 

[likeitis]

Let's see, Bedford has publicly stated his desire to raise the current F9 Airbus rates by about 3%, and wants to keep their contract in place for three more years. So I am going to have to say that, no, Frontier will not be told to step in line.

And I don't know if I would call it "exploiting loopholes" in scope. When Delta pilots say "you may fly x number of 76 seat airplanes", and RAH then gets 76 seat airplanes, it seems like a straight forward business deal to me. And while I personally am not in favor of the entire Midwest fiasco, you need to ask yourself if any fewer jobs would have been lost had Republic not gotten involved. Midwest management lost those 717's to Boeing. There would still be 0 jobs remaining within a year had republic or anyone else not stepped in.

You don't know any of this. Pure speculation. It's becoming more and more clear as more info leaks out that Bedford has been calling the shots at Midwest since summer 2008. He very well could be the one who hashed the plan of the 717's going back to Boeing. You guys are just Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heroes, "I hear nothing, I see nothing, I know nothing!" How does it feel to wake up everyday knowing you were played to accelerate the race to the bottom. Not just lowering the bar but taking others jobs with not even a whimper or objection. It's nice to see IBT national now starting to distance themselves from your local. Wow it takes something to be an embarrassment to the Teamsters.

 

[BUDDHA145]

please!! go get a woman! well in your case you need to pay for one!!! dont worried she will close her eyes and fake it..

 

[DairyAir]

I thought Airtran was the new home town airline of MKE?

 

[starchkr]

Maybe they will go back to the Chautauqua Way which was free alcohol!

Finally, someone in this thread is speaking my language!!!

 

[CitationLover]

please!! go get a woman! well in your case you need to pay for one!!! dont worried she will close her eyes and fake it..

You just described the IBT's relationship with Bedford!

 

[Anonymous2]

What will happen to the Midwest certificate after the last 717 exits the fleet? I assumed they need to have at least one airplane on it for it to be active. I could be wrong though, anyone have an answer?

 

[CitationLover]

What will happen to the Midwest certificate after the last 717 exits the fleet? I assumed they need to have at least one airplane on it for it to be active. I could be wrong though, anyone have an answer?

I think Bedford has stated he plans on turning it in to the FAA.

 

[CA1900]

I hope you guys eventually keep the animals and ditch the boring blue paint scheme... Midwest is a lame name for a "national" airline (just one section of the country)...

But Northwest and Southwest were OK?

 

[dougdrvr]

I hope you guys eventually keep the animals and ditch the boring blue paint scheme... Midwest is a lame name for a "national" airline (just one section of the country) on an ongoing basis. Frontier works a lot better and it is reminiscent of the "old school" Frontier brand of the 70s and 80s that I enjoyed as a kid. Just my $0.02.

They should put special animals on the tails of the E-190s tasked to denver, like maybe, a huge hairy spider, a weasel, certain venomous snakes, a rat, or a large fink.

 

[CitationLover]

They should put special animals on the tails of the E-190s tasked to denver, like maybe, a huge hairy spider, a weasel, certain venomous snakes, a rat, or a large fink.

A closeup of pubic crabs would be appropriate

 

[En Mort Main]

So all this time on your hands and all you can do with it is bash F9 and RP.
I understand from your posts that you have been furloughed from YX. I also understand you have no interest in working for RP. Why do you continue to post on the matter. You have called RP and F9 pilots all but scabs and i think in a few posts you have even called them that. I think it is time for you to move on to greener pastures and stop speculating that you know what is happening in the transition. You have claims to know what exactly will happen with the SLI...you have claimed to know exactly what will happen with pay and work rules and routes...Since you are so smart and have so great foresight in things to come you can certainly gain fruitful employment with people you view as your equals and not subbordinates.
Like stated in one of my prior posts please move on. You hate RP you hate F9 we understand, point taken, your bitter and we know it. Now save yourself the ulcer get a job and just move on. There is no more point of you posting on this topic you have stated you will never work for RP.

Maybe I just don't understand the depths of your pain and anguish.
But it can not be healthy.

En Mort Main