Frontier Pilots approve concessions 498-58

[Jar Jar]

Hey General Lee good thing you elite aviator guys at DAL are keeping Frontier afloat huh?

If you all hadn't tossed them more flying a few months ago, they might not even had been around to make these concessions. Way to go DAL.

 

[Fubijaakr]

RAH making a good faith effort?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

You guys kill me.

 

[waveflyer]

Hey- IMO saying frontier is dragging down the profession is wrong. They're trying to survive.

But to say that Wn ever dragged down the profession is pretty damn silly also- there was never a time when SWA didn't make pilots millionaires. And it's always had the intangibles that makes it a great place to work. And they've never taken paycuts and still profitable.

I certainly don't financially feel bad for the original SWA pilots- does anyone??

The biggest thing lowering the bar for this industry is outsourcing, hands down. That IS and has been the problem for 2 decades now.

Good luck frontier. You're a great group and wish you were on our list instead of Bedfords, but I think we all know the swa bid was never designed to succeed.

 

[FBN0223]

Hey- IMO saying frontier is dragging down the profession is wrong. They're trying to survive.

But to say that Wn ever dragged down the profession is pretty damn silly also- there was never a time when SWA didn't make pilots millionaires. And it's always had the intangibles that makes it a great place to work. And they've never taken paycuts and still profitable.

I certainly don't financially feel bad for the original SWA pilots- does anyone??

The biggest thing lowering the bar for this industry is outsourcing, hands down. That IS and has been the problem for 2 decades now.

Good luck frontier. You're a great group and wish you were on our list instead of Bedfords, but I think we all know the swa bid was never designed to succeed.

Spot on!! Our slogan at Delta should be, "Why do the flying when another airline can do it for us.". At least our outsourcing is supporting the pilots at RAH.

 

[Dash Power]

Scope. That is the cancer that is killing this profession. American struck for 20 minutes in 1997 in a fight to get the RJ's on the AA seniority list. Their mistake was not getting it on the property with then unacceptable pay rates and negotiate those like they did the B scale with each contract after that. Once they gave the RJ's away, they gave their competition the same pressure to accept RJ's with their scope clauses also.

Now we have Captains flying 110 pax jets flying halfway across the country at half the rates and benefits that a Captain at mainline is earning flying a 130 Pax jets half way across the country.

Knowing the real history of why wages for pilots are the way today, has nothing to do with SWA. If SWA didn't exist wages would be where they are today. Until the "regionals" stand up for the pay they deserve, main line will always be at their mercy.

 

[Dan Roman]

SWA dragged down this profession for Decades. Everybody knows this. Just because they get paid well NOW doesn't mean the damage wasn't done. A smug SWA guy bitching about another pilot group lowering the bar is absolutely laughable.

Bingo.

 

[xkuzme1]

Someone should call Under Cover Boss back for a follow episode.

 

[tomgoodman]

Their mistake was not getting it on the property with then unacceptable pay rates and negotiate those like they did the B scale with each contract after that. Once they gave the RJ's away, they gave their competition the same pressure to accept RJ's with their scope clauses also.

In hindsight, even APA might agree with you now, but it's easy to see why they didn't do it back then. They were just recovering from Crandall's B-scale horror, and didn't ever want a low-wage pilot subgroup in their own bargaining unit again.

 

[waveflyer]

In hindsight, even APA might agree with you now, but it's easy to see why they didn't do it back then. They were just recovering from Crandall's B-scale horror, and didn't ever want a low-wage pilot subgroup in their own bargaining unit again.

Q: What's worse than a low-wage pilot subgroup in your own bargaining unit?

A: Several low-wage pilot subgroups operating for you OUTSIDE your own bargaining unit.

 

[tomgoodman]

Q: What's worse than a low-wage pilot subgroup in your own bargaining unit?

A: Several low-wage pilot subgroups operating for you OUTSIDE your own bargaining unit.

Probably so, but what the winners of a long, costly war fear most is having to re-fight the whole thing, and maybe lose this time. It's hard to mobilize support and sacrifice against new and even worse threats which are but dimly perceived and appear to be safely outside your castle wall.