Frontier Airlines

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Any info would be appreciated. Pay during training? Are they even hiring? Insurance benefits? Anything else someone might want to know if they were thinking of applying there. Thanks in advance.

 

[AnimalTale]

Any info would be appreciated. Pay during training? Are they even hiring? Insurance benefits? Anything else someone might want to know if they were thinking of applying there. Thanks in advance.

Im sure u can do a search but here is the skinny:

Pay in training => Full pay ($50-53/hour)
Hiring 67 pilots October to March 07 (count on more)
Insurance benefits= Start on the first day. Med, dent,ltd, 401k, profit sharing esop, pass travel

First year pay with perdiem (58k-63K) depends how much u fly
Good skeds. October avg days off are 17. Reserve 11-12


Cya

 

[V1 Rotate]

Thanks for the info. As far as the application process goes, how did you go about that? I don't know anyone over there, so I'm working on the online application right now. Should I send a resume in also? What was the interview process like? Types of questions? Do they pay for room and board during training? Thanks again.

 

[AnimalTale]

Thanks for the info. As far as the application process goes, how did you go about that? I don't know anyone over there, so I'm working on the online application right now. Should I send a resume in also? What was the interview process like? Types of questions? Do they pay for room and board during training? Thanks again.

Fill it out ASAP. Check for typos and update regularly.
I guess the online process asks for one, correct?
Int process--> Be yourself and check aviationinterviews.com for a summary.
No, they dont pay for room or board. You get full pay from day one.

Good luck and search this forum for more detailed answers.

Cya

 

[flythere]

Any info would be appreciated. Pay during training? Are they even hiring? Insurance benefits? Anything else someone might want to know if they were thinking of applying there. Thanks in advance.

If you are minority don't bother!!!!

 

[USMC319]

If you are minority don't bother!!!!

This is a very erroneous statement and is nowhere near the truth. Frontier employs what I consider a higher than normal level of women and minorities in their pilot ranks. Not that I agree with it, but we are giving United a run for their money in this department.

Do not send a resume to the GO or the Chief Pilot or anyone else. Simply use the AirApps process and update frequently. Getting an internal recommendation (Silver Bullet) is very beneficial. Good luck, it is a very competitive process.

 

[rfresh]

A friend of mine just retired from Frontier last week. I asked him how is the retirement pay is and he laughed and held up his hand in the form of a big fat zero!!

 

[Captain Overs]

They make you pay for your hotel during training and now they want to take away pay first year pilots less on the new contract. This from an airline who actually made a profit last quarter. Why do you want to work for them?

 

[Jetsi]

1. If you live in Denver, you don't have to pay for a hotel. So move if it grinds you that much. As an aside, show me an airline that will pay for your hotel while you are going through initial training.

2. Where is your proof? Did we get a new contract that I haven't seen? If it isn't in writing, it is a (doubtfullly) substantiated rumor. Oh wait, don't tell me, you read it on Flightinfo!

3. We made a profit last quarter, but for the 2.5 years I have been here the old balance sheet hasn't been as rosy as I would like. Your point?

4. Didn't your mom ever tell you, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything."

 

[Captain Overs]

Dude,

MOST airlines pay for your hotel during INITIAL training. Even most REGIONAL airlines do that. Why don't you crawl out from under your rock or stop drinking your Frontier flavored Kool-Aid before you start pointing fingers.

I did do my homework on Frontier and I'm stating simple facts. What I said was factual not slanderous or mean. You don't have a new contract, but it's being proposed first year pilots would take a cut.

I invite people at those airlines that pay for hotels during training to post on this link so you can get a complete list.

 

[Tri-holer]

Comair couldn't post on this list then. They paid one week of hotel then you were on your own. And it wasn't full pay during training.

The Frontier gig sounds pretty good.

 

[Donsa320]

Paid hotel for new hires

The general rule of thumb is that carriers with only one domicile won't pay for the hotel in training since you are considered in domicile when you are hired. That varies by contract but that is the basic theory.

DC

 

[Big Duke Six]

flythere wrote:

If you are minority don't bother!!!!

That is one of the most absurd things I have ever read on this board.

Donsa320 wrote:

The general rule of thumb is that carriers with only one domicile won't pay for the hotel in training since you are considered in domicile when you are hired. That varies by contract but that is the basic theory.

DC

There you have it, Captain. As they/we all keep saying, F9 is a DEN-based company.

rfresh wrote:

A friend of mine just retired from Frontier last week. I asked him how is the retirement pay is and he laughed and held up his hand in the form of a big fat zero!!

Is this really news? Does anyone have a pension left, besides our brothers in the freight business? See post #2, by Animal Tale, if you didn't catch it the first time.

 

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Do not send a resume to the GO or the Chief Pilot or anyone else. Simply use the AirApps process and update frequently. Getting an internal recommendation (Silver Bullet) is very beneficial. Good luck, it is a very competitive process.[/quote]

When you say competitive, do you mean experience wise or just that there are alot of people in general trying to get on?

Put it this way....I'm a 4th year FO at a Regional in the ATL area (hint hint) and I far exceed Frontier's requirements they have on their website. With all that being said, would you guys make the jump if given the opportunity or what? Other than the new wholly-owned that they've announced they want to start up, is there still hiring going on at Mainline? Aircraft on order?

 

[curtaindriver]

Would I make the jump from ASA to Frontier.....yes. And here is why. At ASA, you have no control of your future. Your airline is a vendor, a contractor that can get replaced on a dime if someone cheaper comes along. The whipsawing will never end in the regionals. I do believe that the "subsidiary" prospects at Frontier are going to encourage some of the whipsawing tactics, but at least Frontier has every employee on the same page. Frontier seems like a great airline, good equipment, excellent base, and good people. I say go, just my personal opinion obviously.

CD

 

[AnimalTale]

A friend of mine just retired from Frontier last week. I asked him how is the retirement pay is and he laughed and held up his hand in the form of a big fat zero!!

That is true! All we have is a 401K, that the company matches close to 50% on the contributed dollar.

rfresh, without being so quick and dramatic, lets point out that the person, your friend, who just retired was probably only at Frontier less than Five years and was an FO. We only have 401k, so his retirement is under his control. If he retired with ZERO, it is his FAULT! Especially with catchup contributions and employer match. I know guys at Frontier who have been at F9 for less than 5 years and they have close to 180K in their 401K.

Also, at my previous airline, when I got hired, they promised me millions at retirement. Well, NO MORE PENSIONS! Fend for your self. NO ONE OWES YOU JACK!

CYA

 

[AnimalTale]

Put it this way....I'm a 4th year FO at a Regional in the ATL area (hint hint) and I far exceed Frontier's requirements they have on their website. With all that being said, would you guys make the jump if given the opportunity or what? Other than the new wholly-owned that they've announced they want to start up, is there still hiring going on at Mainline? Aircraft on order?

I probably wouldnt make the jump, if I were you. If you really wanted to make the jump you would have applied a long time ago. Plus, the commute would be a BIACH! Put your stuff into Airtran.

A lot of our applicants FAR EXCEED our minimums and they have wanted to work for F9. Also all your questions will be answered if you do a quick search on the company website. Do u know were that is? Do your research, talk to pilots and then sit down and think about your best bet. Just trying to escape a regional for a company that you assume is better, will get you in trouble.

Good Luck

CYA

 

[AnimalTale]

If you are minority don't bother!!!!

if your anybody with a Sh!tty, they owe me attitude, PLEASE DONT BOTHER!

Cya

 

[F9 Driver]

A friend of mine just retired from Frontier last week. I asked him how is the retirement pay is and he laughed and held up his hand in the form of a big fat zero!!

When you are taking about an airline this size and age we know who you are talking about. He was sure happy to get this job when it was offered after his last airline went away, and knew what our retirement was. He knew how old he was/when he would have to retire.

Make sure you ask :uzi: your friend what the retirement pay was from the airline he scabbed at.

 

[miles otoole]

I know guys at Frontier who have been at F9 for less than 5 years and they have close to 180K in their 401K.


CYA

Very doubtful. 180,000K in less than 5 years? No way unless they somehow were able to find very risky mutual funds that returned 40% a year. The 2000/01 limit was $10,500, 2002: $11,000, 2003: $12,000, 2004: $13,000, 2005: $14,000, 2006: $15,000.
2001-2005: 5 year contribution limit, $60,000 + $4,000 company per year = $80,000. Not quite.

 

[AnimalTale]

Very doubtful. 180,000K in less than 5 years? No way unless they somehow were able to find very risky mutual funds that returned 40% a year. The 2000/01 limit was $10,500, 2002: $11,000, 2003: $12,000, 2004: $13,000, 2005: $14,000, 2006: $15,000.
2001-2005: 5 year contribution limit, $60,000 + $4,000 company per year = $80,000. Not quite.

I am not a genius in the stock market but In my short years at F9 I am doing almost 1/2 has good. I dont know what it is

ALso in your equation you need to consider COMPOUNDING and interest. With company match you are already looking at free money and a rate of return of close to 50%

This person that retired with ZERO at F9 should have saved in his 401K to take advantage of the compounding effect and company match.

Cya

 

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I probably wouldnt make the jump, if I were you. If you really wanted to make the jump you would have applied a long time ago. Plus, the commute would be a BIACH! Put your stuff into Airtran.

Airtran will not look at me because I have no 121 PIC. I'm not just trying to escape from a regional just because it's a regional. I do OK here paywise as far as FO pay goes. However, F9's pay is much better and the benefits seem to be better too. Who said I was going to commute? May have to temporarily til the house sells, but after that, who knows??? Does F9 even have a commuter clause?

 

[AnimalTale]

Airtran will not look at me because I have no 121 PIC. I'm not just trying to escape from a regional just because it's a regional. I do OK here paywise as far as FO pay goes. However, F9's pay is much better and the benefits seem to be better too. Who said I was going to commute? May have to temporarily til the house sells, but after that, who knows??? Does F9 even have a commuter clause?

No "commute clause". Hurry up and apply then. Majority of the people we hire have about 750-1000 hours PIC turbopro or Jet. And a Silver Bullett. And a Good Attitude.

I have seen a few hired with neither of these traits, so give it your best shot and Apply. I am sure your time FAR EXCEEDS our minimums but we have quit a bit of applicants and the only way to hire from this big pool is to "pick" the most competitive person.

Good Luck,

Cya

 

[V1 Rotate]

Well, as soon as I get this online application taken care of, I will send it in. Doesn't hurt to check you guys out, now does it? How long did it take to get off reserve? Six months? A Year? I know you don't know the exact answer, but ballpark it for me if you don't mind. Where is the affordable living areas in DEN, if there is such a thing? Say for a family of 4?

 

[AnimalTale]

Well, as soon as I get this online application taken care of, I will send it in. Doesn't hurt to check you guys out, now does it? How long did it take to get off reserve? Six months? A Year? I know you don't know the exact answer, but ballpark it for me if you don't mind. Where is the affordable living areas in DEN, if there is such a thing? Say for a family of 4?

reserve===>??????..right now 6 mos.
affordable? how much can u afford?==> by the airport or Aurura. 200-400k for a house. 1000-1500/rent.

cya

 

[COLOpilot]

Anyone a graduate of Colorado Northwestern Community College?
I'm looking for an F9 pilot I may have flown with.
What does a guy have to do to get a recommedation?

 

[TOGA]

V1Rotate -

Please read:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=85540&highlight=frontier

I just left the left seat at the best (IMO) regional in the industry to commute 'until the house sells' because I've always wanted to work for Frontier & move back to Denver. Thank goodness my house hasn't sold yet. Good luck.

 

[Lowpayisgreat]

ftgh

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[yaks]

"show me an airline that will pay for your hotel while you are going through initial training". AA.

 

[COLOpilot]

I thought you wanted to move to Denver??

? (IMO) ?