Frontier Airlines

[V1 Rotate]

Im sure u can do a search but here is the skinny:

Pay in training => Full pay ($50-53/hour)
Hiring 67 pilots October to March 07 (count on more)
Insurance benefits= Start on the first day. Med, dent,ltd, 401k, profit sharing esop, pass travel

First year pay with perdiem (58k-63K) depends how much u fly
Good skeds. October avg days off are 17. Reserve 11-12


Cya

Just curious.....where did such a specific number such as "67" come from? Was that posted in house there somewhere? And, that's 67 total from October thru March, not per month, correct? Do applicants get looked at by simply filling out the online application or do they go for the ones with the "Silver Bullets?" Thanks again.

 

[quinnlake]

How do the F9 pilots feel about the start-up of Dash-8's? Are you going to ask, or do you have any scope clause?

 

[talespin]

1. If you live in Denver, you don't have to pay for a hotel. So move if it grinds you that much. As an aside, show me an airline that will pay for your hotel while you are going through initial training.

2. Where is your proof? Did we get a new contract that I haven't seen? If it isn't in writing, it is a (doubtfullly) substantiated rumor. Oh wait, don't tell me, you read it on Flightinfo!

3. We made a profit last quarter, but for the 2.5 years I have been here the old balance sheet hasn't been as rosy as I would like. Your point?

4. Didn't your mom ever tell you, "If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything."

Continental!!!

 

[waterski]

"show me an airline that will pay for your hotel while you are going through initial training". AA.

Jetblue

 

[starchkr]

Continental, Jetblue, AA...all have how many domiciles???????

"67" was internal...

Housing gets cheaper as you go further south or north...south is better in my opinion because we have the mountains as our back yard versus the plains. Also, it is actually cheaper if you live in the mountains versus here in Denver...kinda crazy, but true.

401K's and making money fast....well, it can be done, and i wouldn't doubt 180k as a possibility. All depends on how you handle it...play it safe and you make nothing, risk it and make the money flow.

 

[V1 Rotate]

Is F9 swamped with resumes right now, do you think? The more I think about it, the more I'm ready to get out of here (ASA). How important, in all you F9 guys' opinion, is it to have that inside recommendation? I'm just trying to get a good feel for what I'm up against here. Any clue when they're conducting interviews?

BTW.....ASA paid for hotel, round-the-clock per-diem for 2 months and monthly guarentee from day one....no insurance though for 60 days I believe it was???

 

[Jetsi]

"show me an airline that will pay for your hotel while you are going through initial training"

Well, don't I feel sheepish. I had better give my notice and put in an application at AA, Continental, and JetBlue.

 

[ricj41]

We have over 1000 apps on file and will probably only interview 100-150 to get the 67 that the company is currently forcasting to hire through May 07. Obviously getting a silver bullet would help tremendously.

 

[Big Duke Six]

Just to piggyback here - yes the Silver Bullet helps but I know we have hired several lately without one.

When you get here, you can find good neighborhoods with excellent (Cherry Creek School district) schools about 30 minutes south of the airport. Prices start in the low 200's there. The real estate market metrowide is flattening out, with about 36,000 houses in the MLS last I checked. It's a buyers market right now.

Yes, we are swamped with resumes right now and are being very selective.

Still a great place to be in spite of the recent gyrations. I am cautiously optimistic that we will come to an agreement on the flying for the -8's.

 

[flythere]

This is a very erroneous statement and is nowhere near the truth. Frontier employs what I consider a higher than normal level of women and minorities in their pilot ranks. Not that I agree with it, but we are giving United a run for their money in this department.

Do not send a resume to the GO or the Chief Pilot or anyone else. Simply use the AirApps process and update frequently. Getting an internal recommendation (Silver Bullet) is very beneficial. Good luck, it is a very competitive process.

What is a higher than normal number of minorities?? 4 or 5. If F9 employes more than 600 pilots, I think less than 10 minorities barley make a little over 1%. I spoke with a Frontier pilot about a month ago, while jumpseating. He told me there were less than 10 minorities in the pilot ranks! He was unsure of the total number of female.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the pilots of F9, all that I have encountered have been very nice and professional!! I'm asking the question about the hiring practice that Frontier management has in place. I understand the only way to get an interview is to have a Silver Bullet from within the walls!! If a person doesn't have an inside source, then they are not considered!! That appears to be the case for anybody applying there. It appears to be a place of inbreeding and nepotism.

Just my humble opinion!!!

 

[SELFloadingCRGO]

What is a higher than normal number of minorities?? 4 or 5. If F9 employes more than 600 pilots, I think less than 10 minorities barley make a little over 1%. I spoke with a Frontier pilot about a month ago, while jumpseating. He told me there were less than 10 minorities in the pilot ranks! He was unsure of the total number of female.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the pilots of F9, all that I have encountered have been very nice and professional!! I'm asking the question about the hiring practice that Frontier management has in place. I understand the only way to get an interview is to have a Silver Bullet from within the walls!! If a person doesn't have an inside source, then they are not considered!! That appears to be the case for anybody applying there. It appears to be a place of inbreeding and nepotism.

Just my humble opinion!!!

Eh...F9 isn't the only place hiring that you need an internal recommendation for, it's very common in the industry these days.

SLC

 

[Shrek]

Although you have a right to your opinion........that statement about the requirement to have a "Silver Bullet" in your pocket for an interview is UNTRUE.

Frontier wants to protect the culture they have there. A good way to do that is to have internal recs. BUT they have given interviews to people that don't have them.

I think it is way too PC to try and attack Frontier's hiring practices by percentage of minorities on property.

They hire without thinking about race or gender - isn't that what we ALL want?

PLENTY of great men and women over at F9 flying foe them.............

 

[crashpad]

posted by 'flythere'

"It appears to be a place of inbreeding and nepotism."


Hey Cletus, pull this guys application!


.

 

[flythere]

posted by 'flythere'

"It appears to be a place of inbreeding and nepotism."


Hey Cletus, pull this guys application!


.

Now that's funny!!!!

 

[LetsGoBuffs]

Is F9 swamped with resumes right now, do you think? The more I think about it, the more I'm ready to get out of here (ASA). How important, in all you F9 guys' opinion, is it to have that inside recommendation? I'm just trying to get a good feel for what I'm up against here...

I have the same question. I have a A320 type, have my app in and update it. I was born and raised in Colorado. I went to Metro State and did the aviation program there and would love to go back home and fly for Frontier.

5,300 hours, three type ratings, 3K plus PIC in 121 operations but, no silver bullet. I have not gotten an offer for an interview as of yet.

Hopefully, that will change. I will keep trying. I would love to have the oppertunity. I would like nothing more than to help my home town airline succeed.

I just hope I get the oppertunity.

 

[arthompson]

Pinnacle even provides a hotel in initial, however if you're making full pay from Day 1 having to get a hotel (or find someone to crash with) may not be bad.

 

[Megalops]

Pinnacle even provides a hotel in initial, however if you're making full pay from Day 1 having to get a hotel (or find someone to crash with) may not be bad.

So What, its stll pinnacle

 

[climb2slow]

If you don't like the way we do it apply elsewhere. The fact is that we only have one base....Denver. Which in the long run is way better than getting paid for a hotel in training. Combine that with one of the highest first year pay in the industry, and it's still a good deal. From what i understand, when our contract was negotiated, the pilots felt there were other priorities to fight for rather than worry about hotels in training when about 90% of new hires either already live in denver or move here anyways. You do get FULL pay from day one, full benefits, jumpseat...etc. But like i said...if you don't like the way we do it, apply elsewhere, There are many other great companies.

c2s

 

[Icelandair]

If youre a minority you might as well buy your uniform before you apply because companies are bending over backwards to have "diversity programs" which translated from pc (political cowardice) language is "white males are not desired"

 

[flying4food]

If youre a minority you might as well buy your uniform before you apply because companies are bending over backwards to have "diversity programs" which translated from pc (political cowardice) language is "white males are not desired"

You need to pass the pipe!!!

 

[frog_flyer]

I have the same question. I have a A320 type, have my app in and update it. I was born and raised in Colorado. I went to Metro State and did the aviation program there and would love to go back home and fly for Frontier.

5,300 hours, three type ratings, 3K plus PIC in 121 operations but, no silver bullet. I have not gotten an offer for an interview as of yet.

Hopefully, that will change. I will keep trying. I would love to have the oppertunity. I would like nothing more than to help my home town airline succeed.

I just hope I get the oppertunity.

You haven't gotten the call because you can't spell "opportunity"


zing!

 

[pipe]

That was a verry oppertoonistick shot. Are ewe guyz hireing? I dont' have a sliver bullett.

PIPE

Gotta love MIT.

 

[Big Duke Six]

Hey watchit, I done gadiated from MIT too! We done talked about spellin and stuff one day, but I jus reckoned I didn't need no spellin jus to fly them big ol airplanes they got up there!

 

[yaks]

"Combine that with one of the highest first year pay in the industry, and it's still a good deal."

Soon to be among the lowest as part of the new contract. Start saving your pennies if you plan on coming to work here.

 

[Bookingsareup]

"Combine that with one of the highest first year pay in the industry, and it's still a good deal."

Soon to be among the lowest as part of the new contract. Start saving your pennies if you plan on coming to work here.

I doubt it.

 

[Trogdor]

I understand the only way to get an interview is to have a Silver Bullet from within the walls!! If a person doesn't have an inside source, then they are not considered!! That appears to be the case for anybody applying there. It appears to be a place of inbreeding and nepotism.

And you need 3 internal recommendations to get into FedEx. Would you say the same about them?

 

[climb2slow]

Inbreeding and nepotism? wow...good for you! You got us with that one! Welcome to the world of "it's not what you know it's who you know" or more commonly known as the airline industry. Of course knowing someone here will help you get the job...fact is we have around 3000 apps on file online, and about 250-300 with silver bullet recomendations...so if you do the math (even you can do this math!) not even all the folks with nepotism and inbreeding on their side aren't getting hired anytime soon. Cheers!
c2s

 

[Captain Overs]

Continental, Jetblue, AA...all have how many domiciles???????

"67" was internal...

Housing gets cheaper as you go further south or north...south is better in my opinion because we have the mountains as our back yard versus the plains. Also, it is actually cheaper if you live in the mountains versus here in Denver...kinda crazy, but true.

401K's and making money fast....well, it can be done, and i wouldn't doubt 180k as a possibility. All depends on how you handle it...play it safe and you make nothing, risk it and make the money flow.

Go back and re-read to original post. The question wasn't about how many domiciles and airline has it was insinuating that paying for your hotels during training wasn't the norm. I simply disagree and it apprear more do than don't.

 

[crashpad]

The policy of pilots paying for hotels evolved over years of bean-counters viewing us with the same level of disdain they have for door-to-door vacuum salesmen.

What kind of business allows a newly hired business executive to pay for a hotel during indoctrination?

Two words for those who whine about, rather than work for, the betterment of our profession: "Step aside!".

 

[starchkr]

Go back and re-read to original post. The question wasn't about how many domiciles and airline has it was insinuating that paying for your hotels during training wasn't the norm. I simply disagree and it apprear more do than don't.

Does it really matter that you have to pay for your own hotel? What's the big deal? I really do not understand why everyone is so upset about the fact that they have to pay to live somewhere. Now i would understand if this was like my last company and you didn't have a job until you passed your checkride, for this reason they paid for our housing during training, but you are an employee from day one...FULL PAY AND BENIES!! Expecting to get your housing paid for in training under those circumstances is like saying that you want them to pay for your mortgage during your entire tenure with the company...it makes no sense. Find a freakin crashpad for a couple hundred a month, that's a whole lot cheaper than an apartment. I mean come on, you are all supposed to be "big boys and girls" now, use some brains and look around for an inexpensive place to live if you have to...it's not that hard. Besides, it's not the companies fault you do not live in domicile. Plus as has been said, you get paid pretty darn well here first year almost 50K base, with plenty extra to be made, close to twice as much as some other carriers.

Captain overs...this wasn't directed at you, so don't take direct offense at my response, it just happens you were the last one to respond to my post so i just used it as a starting point. Cool???