Freedom Airlines

[planejockey]

does anyone know anything about freedom airlines?

 

[TEXAN AVIATOR]

In short stay away from there. Try doing a search it should uncover some info for you.

 

[coogebeachhotel]

Mesa?

 

[DX Rick]

Here is a related story.

 

[Cloudroller]

freedom is part of mesa air group, they fly only 1 type of airplane EMB 145, only base is MCO. nothing larger than 50 seats. Its ALPA (unlike the old freedom). most of the pilots were displaced from CLT.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Freedom airlines(in it's original manifestation) was an "alter ego" airline built to circumvent contractual obligations at Mesa with it's pilots as well as it's mainline partners scope clause(s).

The original pilots are poorly regarded by some for helping to start this airline, and there is much on these boards if you do a search.

The original group aside, the current pilots are ALPA and part of Mesa Air Group. Some still face animosity by people who do not know the whole
story...

 

[slackass]

Copied from another post. Originally posted by Twotterdriver:

Freedom has been flying DCI stuff out of Orlando since Oct. 2005. The original Alter Ego / non-union Freedom stopped operations over a year ago. The certificate was retained by Mesa Air Group and 30 of the ERJ-145's that were previously flying for US Airways, are now or will soon be flying for the new ALPA Freedom Airlines out of MCO. None of the Line pilots for the new Freedom flew for the original union busting freedom - infact, most are either new hires, junior assigned, or transfered from Mesa / Air Midwest. I beleive they only have 18 or so airplanes in service right now with DCI.

 

[planejockey]

thanks for the info guys, A friend of a friend told me that they were hiring, I tried to find thier website but but to noa avail. What are thier mins? and if you can visit thier website, what is it?

 

[DX Rick]

thanks for the info guys, A friend of a friend told me that they were hiring, I tried to find thier website but but to noa avail. What are thier mins? and if you can visit thier website, what is it?

Stay away, stay far far away. You want nothing to do with them.

 

[stall022]

thanks for the info guys, A friend of a friend told me that they were hiring, I tried to find thier website but but to noa avail. What are thier mins? and if you can visit thier website, what is it?

Mesa does the hiring for Freedom and Mesa. so you have to apply via the Mesa website then during basic indoc training you will fill out a "dream sheet" and list your aircraft and domicile choices. based on that, your flight times and the company needs you will be award either CRJ, ERJ, or Dash 8. If you are awarded the ERJ you will first go thru the Mesa ERJ program then a Freedom transition class

 

[jetalc]

Stay away, stay far far away. You want nothing to do with them.

And this being from personal experience with your whopping 900 hours? Or are you just parroting what others have said on this board?

 

[DX Rick]

And this being from personal experience with your whopping 900 hours? Or are you just parroting what others have said on this board?

No, this would come from the many people I know who flew for Mesa and now for Freedom. They are not A-Listers.

 

[planejockey]

what exactly is the mins fir mesa or freedom?

 

[urflyingme?!]

Like 1000/100
something like that.

Airlineapps.com is the application site

 

[Iflyamouse]

So why was Mesa somewhat successful in getting Johny-O to integrate Freedom into Mesa, but ALPA/TSA can't stop Jo-Gets?

 

[Jack Mahogoff]

So why was Mesa somewhat successful in getting Johny-O to integrate Freedom into Mesa, but ALPA/TSA can't stop Jo-Gets?

Because ALPA doesn't care about regional airlines. As long as they collect dues from people, they don't give a rat's a$$ about regionals, only protecting mainline.

 

[sflax]

Easy ansewer, if anybody actually listens and looks at what happened to Mesa Pilots, instead of bitching about stuff. You would know, we told management that we did not want Freedom, so management told us either we sign that crappy contract or lose all of our flying to Freedom. So, what did we do. We kepted our jobs. TSA will need to do the same thing, to stop them. The best Union busting idea in years.

 

[spitfire1500]

Stay away, stay far far away. You want nothing to do with them.

Its up to you but I dont know if I would take advice from a 900 hour pilot to the bank!!

 

[spitfire1500]

So why was Mesa somewhat successful in getting Johny-O to integrate Freedom into Mesa, but ALPA/TSA can't stop Jo-Gets?

I dont think I would call it successful!!!.....we got such a sh*t poor contract with holes allthrough it!! A lot of the sections contain the phrases "to the best ability of the company" or "at companies discretion" these sections might as well be torn out of the contract and if so our contract would be about half of it's thickness!!
JO keeps trying to ammend the deal with narrowbody rates along with trying to get the current contract extended to no avail.
All the pilot group got for this was a scope clause which I am sure JO has his lawyers working on finding a loophole in time for the 07 negotiaitions because the only strategy he has ever shown during negotiations wherever he has been is the whipsaw!!

 

[tomcash]

Mesa website then during basic indoc training you will fill out a "dream sheet"

Dream Sheet!!

 

[DX Rick]

Its up to you but I dont know if I would take advice from a 900 hour pilot to the bank!!

Sorry I dont update my profile every day I go fly. May I ask you, Mr. Man, What is the time requirement before one can make a comment about a certain regional airline?
I have many friends and family who fly/flew for Freedom and absolutely were misserable there.

 

[Regul8r]

May I ask you, Mr. Man, What is the time requirement before one can make a comment about a certain regional airline?

I think it's different for every pilot. Only you will know when you have turned into a big enough ManWhore and that, my friend, is when you have the self appointed right to shovel bull$h!t all day and call yourself an expert.

 

[FlyHIToo]

So why was Mesa somewhat successful in getting Johny-O to integrate Freedom into Mesa, but ALPA/TSA can't stop Jo-Gets?

They are completely different situtations (NMB ruling pg 38 12-2005):
http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2006/33n009.pdf
While ALPA relies on Mesa Airlines, Inc., CCAir, Inc., Air Midwest, Inc., 29 NMB 359 (2002) for support that ************************* and TSA constitute a single system, the facts of that case are inapposite. In Mesa, the Board made a single carrier finding because of the following factors: all three carriers were wholly owned by Mesa Air Group, Inc. (MAG); MAG’s website contained information about each of the carriers, including type of aircraft, number of employees, and daily departure schedules --presenting a public image of a single transportation system; applicants could apply for positions at any of the three carriers online through the MAG website; and labor relations at the three carriers was centralized, evidenced by the fact that the Flight Deck Crewmembers craft or class at two of the carriers were covered by the same CBA, and the heavy involvement of MAG’s CEO in contract negotiations and the overall labor relations at the three carriers. Id. at 368-380.
Here, while ************************* and TSA are both owned by TSH, there are no other similarities to the facts in the Mesa Airlines, Inc., above, decision. ************************* and TSA have their own websites with no information about each other or links to each other. Applicants for positions at either Carrier must apply through the designated web address or mail address, and each Carrier’s website lists only its job openings. Additionally, labor relations are handled separately at ************************* and TSA: with separate management teams; separate wages, benefits and terms and conditions of employment; and separate seniority lists and employee rosters.
- 38

 

[Mr Biggelsworth]

Because ALPA doesn't care about regional airlines. As long as they collect dues from people, they don't give a rat's a$$ about regionals, only protecting mainline.

I couldn't agree with you more

 

[SEVEN]

does anyone know anything about freedom airlines?

Yea...if you work there don't plan on commuting unless you jumpseat on Mesa.

 

[A350]

This whole thread just shows how much ignorance there is out there.......

Freedom is a subsidiary of Mesa, just like AirMidwest. They are all ALPA and they are all covered under the ALPA collective bargaining agreement.

If your family and friends were miserable at Freedom, they were miserable at Mesa because it is all one in the same. The only difference is that they fly for DAL under the Freedom certificate in order to get around their scope clause which would not allow Mesa to do it because of the 90 seaters at USAirways.

Go ahead and deny the JS....it just shows ignorance.

A350

 

[Cows Go Moo]

Yea...if you work there don't plan on commuting unless you jumpseat on Mesa.

A swing and a miss. Freedom = Mesa (= Air Midwest). That's it, plain and simple. Commutes there are just like they are in the rest of the regional airline world.

 

[Twotter Driver]

It amazes me the ignorance of some people out there. I like seeing these guys pounding their chests about how they are going to turn down a freedom jumpseater.
FACT: every pilot at freedom is an ALPA member
FACT: the majority of the pilots at freedom were junior assigned to freedom
and were forced out of their old base due to the shifting of our fleet
FACT: not one line pilot at the new freedom was part of the original freedom
out of phoenix.
Before you go turning down jumseaters, get your facts straight! This is no *************************s, and this is not the original freedom!

 

[Catbird]

No Jumpseat for the Freedom Scabs. Continental scabs are still on my list, Alpa or no Alpa dosn't matter. Freedom Scab=No Ride, buy a ticket A**holes.