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[Options_SLAVE]

Your argument is comparing Apples to Oranges! What does a 5th year Plastic Surgeon make? If you knew, it would make you rethink your aviation career. It would make about as much sense to try and make that argument!

Secondly, your allegation that Joe, and other Senior ASA pilots, are hosing the F/O's because there is only an 8 year scale for F/O's is very flawed! How many 8 year F/O's does ASA have? Maybe, 2, and they could have bid Captain at 2-3 years of employment, but for personal reasons, chose to stay F/O's! Most pilots at ASA have upgraded by 5 years. Why establish a pay scale beyond 8 years, or for that matter, 5 years?

Compare ASA pay scales to other regional airlines--apples to apples! You'll see that ASA F/O's rates are at the top--primarily because most Senior pilots supported the F/O pay rates be maintained at 60% of the Captain rate for the same longevity.

Good Luck at Delta. Oh by the way, because of a new negotiated piece in our contract, should you get furloughed, Delta pilots get preferential interviews. And if hired, they keep their Delta number, because Joe Merchant, and other Senior pilots at ASA supported it and felt it was the right thing to do! And by the way, that was not free to him or others to memorialize! It probably cost him something that could be equated to money!

Here is an apple for an apple - Delta pilots fly airplanes with Delta colors on it. ASA flies airplanes with Delta colors on it. Your post insinuates that you actually think life is better at ASA than Delta. You could not say a more insulting thing to an airline pilot, ALL of us. Every regional pilot being paid "close to mainline pay" is flying a job that SHOULD be mainline, with all their benefits and retirement, instead of minimum-wage welfare pilots like all regional whores are.

Your luxury of a contract can change in a heart beat. Your flying is based solely at the discretion of Delta. You think other airlines would not think twice of stealing your flying if they thought they could bid and win it? Open your eyes and look around.

The fact that the majors' pay is getting closer to the regionals (it is NOT the regionals getting close to the majors) is a SAD story for all of us. You are relishing in it and you are part of the problem - just like the rest of us.

Keep things in perspective. Appreciate the job you have, and the pay you have, because if the airline owners have anything to say about it, it's gonna change, and not in the direction you want. Just ask any major pilot or the tens of thousands that are on the streets now, and the other 10,000 that will be on the streets in the next 24 months.

And if McCain is voted President, it's only going to get MUCH worse. Just had to throw that in there. We couldn't have a more anti-Union, or anti-airline pilot person for President. Vote for your career.

 

[Erlanger]

Here is an apple for an apple - Delta pilots fly airplanes with Delta colors on it. ASA flies airplanes with Delta colors on it. Your post insinuates that you actually think life is better at ASA than Delta. You could not say a more insulting thing to an airline pilot, ALL of us. Every regional pilot being paid "close to mainline pay" is flying a job that SHOULD be mainline, with all their benefits and retirement, instead of minimum-wage welfare pilots like all regional whores are.

Your luxury of a contract can change in a heart beat. Your flying is based solely at the discretion of Delta. You think other airlines would not think twice of stealing your flying if they thought they could bid and win it? Open your eyes and look around.

The fact that the majors' pay is getting closer to the regionals (it is NOT the regionals getting close to the majors) is a SAD story for all of us. You are relishing in it and you are part of the problem - just like the rest of us.

Keep things in perspective. Appreciate the job you have, and the pay you have, because if the airline owners have anything to say about it, it's gonna change, and not in the direction you want. Just ask any major pilot or the tens of thousands that are on the streets now, and the other 10,000 that will be on the streets in the next 24 months.

And if McCain is voted President, it's only going to get MUCH worse. Just had to throw that in there. We couldn't have a more anti-Union, or anti-airline pilot person for President. Vote for your career.

It's sad is exactly right. Next thing you know, the regionals will say that the pay between the two is disproportionate and regional pay has to go down.

 

[Options_SLAVE]

Good point.

You know? the major pilots could fix this if they'd concede and fly those jets for lower wages and get the damn airplanes back on their property where they belong. Thing is, the major shareholders probably won't EVER let that happen, they are enjoying whipsawing all the regional carriers against each other and getting them to fly for absolutely NO money and NO benefits out of their pockets.

Why pay for a professional lawn service when you have two immigrants with their stolen lawn mower and no green card to mow your yard for 1/10th the price?

The major pilots were too proud to fly baby jets, scoped them away having no idea that there'd be just as many if not more of them than there is "big iron", and now in our economy, the regionals are hiring and the majors are furloughing.

There is always the problem of too many whores who will fly for food, however if it's gonna happen, they should make it happen on THEIR property for THEIR pilots than for letting the Ornsteins in the world jerk EVERYBODY's chains.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Good point.

You know? the major pilots could fix this if they'd concede and fly those jets for lower wages and get the damn airplanes back on their property where they belong. Thing is, the major shareholders probably won't EVER let that happen, they are enjoying whipsawing all the regional carriers against each other and getting them to fly for absolutely NO money and NO benefits out of their pockets.

Why pay for a professional lawn service when you have two immigrants with their stolen lawn mower and no green card to mow your yard for 1/10th the price?

The major pilots were too proud to fly baby jets, scoped them away having no idea that there'd be just as many if not more of them than there is "big iron", and now in our economy, the regionals are hiring and the majors are furloughing.

There is always the problem of too many whores who will fly for food, however if it's gonna happen, they should make it happen on THEIR property for THEIR pilots than for letting the Ornsteins in the world jerk EVERYBODY's chains.

Hulas is no better!

 

[Dannone]

Why would ASA or Comair be considered vultures? They were the only connection carriers before all these other companies came in and under bid as a direct result of Comair guys having the balls to strike and make a stand. Anything that goes back to ASA or Comair is where it should be to begin with. Anyone who works for Pinnacle or Mesa is the problem. You continue to allow yourselves to be treated like $hit and we should all pay? I had A Mesa guy tell me the other day that Comair pilots need to get their pay rates in line. What!!! In line with what your pay rates. I almost ripped the guys head off! An Air Tran guy had to calm me down. This after he had a pay reduction forced on him. Here is to Mesa and Pinnacle both going down!!!!

 

[imacdog]

Good point.

You know? the major pilots could fix this if they'd concede and fly those jets for lower wages and get the damn airplanes back on their property where they belong. Thing is, the major shareholders probably won't EVER let that happen, they are enjoying whipsawing all the regional carriers against each other and getting them to fly for absolutely NO money and NO benefits out of their pockets.

Why pay for a professional lawn service when you have two immigrants with their stolen lawn mower and no green card to mow your yard for 1/10th the price?

The major pilots were too proud to fly baby jets, scoped them away having no idea that there'd be just as many if not more of them than there is "big iron", and now in our economy, the regionals are hiring and the majors are furloughing.

There is always the problem of too many whores who will fly for food, however if it's gonna happen, they should make it happen on THEIR property for THEIR pilots than for letting the Ornsteins in the world jerk EVERYBODY's chains.

Yeah kinda sucks for the major pilots doesn't it? Oh well, they made their bed, they can lie in it now. Perhaps Delta pilots can raise the bar to 90 seats in their next contract? They have such a good record of not caving on scope you know.

 

[imacdog]

Could you have this thing up and running by X date? All of them said no, except JO. He said hell yes we could make it happen, no sweat. He then goes out and leases all the Dash-8 airframes he can get his hands on and spends a fortune on getting them airworthy. But to his credit in the end he was able to pull it off.

No he didn't. The Dash-8 operation at JFK was always a joke. Good riddance to that too.

 

[flyboyike]

No he didn't. The Dash-8 operation at JFK was always a joke. Good riddance to that too.

Amen to that!

 

[Flyer1015]

You've done that for many years.

...... said a former CRJ pilot.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

...... said a former CRJ pilot.

I was pointing out him accusing mainline of undercutting the regionals and the irony of it. Didn't come accross as planned..whatever. It's the internet.

 

[CX880]

Why has Delta continued to do Business with MESA? Look at UA, USair, Go flying. Is JO that cheap?

 

[rightseatjocky]

Great question..... CX
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