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CaptainMark said:
yeah you are right...again! well my wife and i are off to our OTHER house in Longboat Key for 3 weeks..and i'm not even on vacation..so please let me know where i can apply to fly people...what flight school are you working at?
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Still, the argument is not about Longboat key, which is a nice place.

My point was, and is, that NIGHT FREIGHT SUCKS. You're going to look like you're 70 when you're 48 and if the urban legend about how much night-shift flying takes off your life expectance is correct, you'll die right after you retire, so your wife will get to enjoy that nice Longboat Key "house" (you sure it's not a condo, there big guy?) with her pool boy.

By the way, it shows an incredible lack of class to discuss your relative compensation, but I assume you don't have much class, so keep going, I'm sure all the right-seaters making $23/hour love to hear your smugness.

Anyway, night freight sucks, you're lucky you get compensated in part for how much more sucky a job it is than most flying jobs.
 
you are right again..it is hard arguing with you..but i will put 25 yrs in with fdx and retire at 50 and i look 18 now with no grey..and i mostly fly days..see avatar...but day freight rules!!!! ask a legacy pilot! and yes i have no class...but i have a great life!


oh yeah..sorry about your $23 an hour job. and it is a house and it is not the pool boy it is the ups guy!
 
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CaptainMark said:
oh yeah..sorry about your $23 an hour job. and it is a house and it is not the pool boy it is the ups guy!
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I don't have a $23/hour job, I'm going to be hit by the AMT this year. As I said, comparing paychecks on a majors interview board shows a lack of class and sophistication.

I assume that you have a lot of inferiorities that you are concerned about to have to point to your own chest and proclaim how great you are in the payroll area on a message board composed mainly of people who are only here because they don't (yet) make that paycheck.

Why are you here? To impress everyone with how great you are? Do you realize that you come across as a complete tool?

It's likely that a lot of the guys on this board will end up making more money over their career than you will. If you are really going to retire at 50 (foolish) than I can guarantee this.

Also, have you ever worked for major passenger airline? Or are you spouting how "Flying mostly day freight" without knowing your rear-end from a hole in the ground?

I've flown night freight. It sucks. It sucks so bad that I never even considered applying to Fedex or UPS because I couldn't imagine such a dismal life.
 
good..we would not hire you anyway..you are a bitter sob..i have pvt messages from guys who say don't bother with you..so i won't
 
radarlove said:
My point was, and is, that NIGHT FREIGHT SUCKS.
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And you know this because you flew night freight where? At FedEx? No.

This is like someone coming on here and saying they flew pax in a small turboprop with no autopilot in bad weather, and therefore flying pax sucks. It sucked for them, so it must be the same all all pax carriers.

I'm sorry that your days of check-flying in the middle of the night didn't live up to your expectations. Until you've walked a mile...

I'm sure the job Capt Mark, I, and the other 6,500 pilots at FedEx have is vastly different that the one you had. And I'm sure your passenger job is vastly different than the one I had. Looks like we have a Mexican stand-off. Don't speak out of school. We'll leave it at that.
 
By the way, do you agree with the propriety of your colleague strutting his W-2 around on an interview board? Or do you agree that it's in bad taste and it makes you guys over at Fedex look like spoiled children who say things like "My daddy makes more than your daddy!"
 
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By the way, do you agree with the propriety of your colleague strutting his W-2 around on an interview board? Or do you agree that it's in bad taste and it makes you guys over at Fedex look like spoiled children who say things like "My daddy makes more than your daddy!"
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Man... I promised myself I was never going to get into these discussions on the internet... glass houses and all that.

I don't tell people what they should or shouldn't post, that's up to them (and the moderators). Furthermore, airline salaries are (somewhat) common knowledge, and you don't have to be able to split an atom to come up with an estimate of what a FedEx A300 Captain makes, give or take a couple of schekels. I know Capt Mark took a beating a while back for posting salary information on another thread. This time, I think he was giving some friendly advise to a SWA pilot who had done the same. Post your pay stub info and prepare to take the heat. But I don't pretend to speak for anyone on this board and Capt Mark has proven that he can well defend himself.

I'm done. Back to slathering on the age-defying cream.
 
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hey sluggo 63..don't bother..he is a jealous fool..he is worried about what i write all the time..he needs to worry about taking his atp written...but back to the original post..gotto go with SWA..cause SWA/FO(soon to be SWA/CPT) says so..
 
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Now dang Radar..... you berate someone for telling how much they make then you turn right around and ask for a pay comparison.

Gup
 
They are both good.

clueless said:
Can anyone make a case for the frax vs. SWA?
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Southwest is great now, but they cannot keep their costs down forever. Eventually, they will start to lose money. They cannot hedge fuel forever. I think more people will go corporate, because the real travelers are sick of the cattle car. SWA has the best service, but they have the worst customers because they are so cheap. So in my opinion, go corporate, because SWA will fall to another low cost carrier, it is only a matter of time.
 
Everybody else I know or who I've met at SW has been most gracious and humble, but you don't fit that mold. Quite the contrary.
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You sure know me huh? Have we met before?

I flew a Falcon for Active Aero /USA Jet. I didn't think it was called a DA-20 in the Coast Guard? I thought it was a UH - something...like a UH25? Can that be right?

Anyway, I don't think I have ever said I make more then anybody... You guys need to be a little nicer to the SWA/FO - he is not that bad of a guy. I do think that our pay at SWA is not reflected properly on airlinepilotpay.com
Its all about TFP, baby.... Trips For Pay. :D For an example - I have 127 trips for pay in Feb.. with 74 block hours. The conversion factor on that web site doesn't work. (vacation month by-the-way).
 
merlindrvr88 said:
Southwest is great now, but they cannot keep their costs down forever. Eventually, they will start to lose money. They cannot hedge fuel forever. I think more people will go corporate, because the real travelers are sick of the cattle car. SWA has the best service, but they have the worst customers because they are so cheap. So in my opinion, go corporate, because SWA will fall to another low cost carrier, it is only a matter of time.
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We have had the same business model for 35 years. Your reasoning has been vocalized for many many years and tried many times ie, United Shuttle, Delta Song, USAir MetroJet et al. I'm not saying it won't or can't happen but it is unlikely in the near term. I appreciate your "angle" and would only say that I trust our management to keep their eye on the ball and make appropriate course corrections. If that means I take a pay cut to keep our costs below our competitors, then so be it. You'll never see a "max pay till the last day" or "choke the golden goose" mentality around here.

And yes, we can, and will hedge fuel forever. But remember, it's a gamble. If fuel was 20 bucks a barrel we'd be losing our shorts. That's why we hedge partially initially and completely once the crystal ball becomes more clear. That's why the hedges only go out another 5 years or so. It's a continually massaged model.

Gup
 
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I met some really great guys when I jumpseated on FEX and SWA for the 16 years I commuted. Sounds like NONE of them are posting here. :rolleyes:

This could be the same 'dick measuring contest' held by AA, UA and DAL in 1998. We all know what happened to them.

I hope everyone lives long, prospers and keeps their first wife. But I doubt they will... :rolleyes: TC
 
Almost. It is the HU-25A, B, C, D and C+ in the CG.

The first H stands for CG, and the U for utility. The type rating says DA-20, I think technically they are DA-200 because of the Garret engines.

That is why their helos are HH-60s. First H for CG, second H for helicopter.

Just a little trivia.

FJ
 
You guys have/had a window cut in the bottom of it?
 

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