fractionals' future

[El Chupacabra]

Good let them fire everyone.. Then we'll seperate the men from the boys!! Just as is the case in life, the strong with prosper in other venues/companies!!

Good thing I have my Teamsters card. I can replace my 7th yr X PIC pay tomorrow by hauling aggregate in a $150K truck vs the $19 Million jet.

 

[Geronimo4497]

18 hour duty day? You describe "them" as fun? I would call them "dangerous". I'd guess you were so fatigued at the end of your 18 hour duty days that you were slap-happy and confusing it for "fun".

Think about it.

I was being facetious.

I hate to admit it, but I think the FAA actually got a new rule set up the right way. Anyhoo, wasn't this thread supposed to be about the future of the frax business. The only way to fly, if you ask me; but I have a rather vested interest in our continued growth.

 

[NiteWitchWanabe]

Thanks, Geronimo4497, for bringing this thread back to base. I don't think you're being facetious when you say that frax is the only way to fly, but given the many alternatives available -- including the card programs, charter and the up-and-coming new segment of flight with the VLJ -- don't you see fractionals entering a period of slow growth at best?

 

[Geronimo4497]

The way I see it, charter card programs, for the most part, are fractional operators. The VLJ segment is a long time coming and in reality, why would someone or some corporation with travel money to spare want to spend it cramed in the back of some machine no bigger than a Malibu?

I'm sure that it will take away from the business segement somewhat, but from what I see at my place of emloyment, things are growing steadily, but not at a rapid rate. I personally like it that way.

Steady Growth=Happy Employees=Future Business.
IMHO

 

[NiteWitchWanabe]

Point well taken! Thanks!

 

[Starman]

Ever notice that the long list of company supporters and doom prognosticaters all have registered on this forum since the TA failed? We've got a ton that have shown up in the past 30 days to tell us how unrealistic we are. What a bunch of tools.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Ever notice that the long list of company supporters and doom prognosticaters all have registered on this forum since the TA failed? We've got a ton that have shown up in the past 30 days to tell us how unrealistic we are. What a bunch of tools.

No, I would use the term TOOLS to describe those members of the union that go on a public board to b1tch about the company, try and sling union propaganda around to convince other company employees to support their rantings, and then express surprise when the other employees dont support them.

If you want to b1tch, fine, but do it on your own union board. nobody else wants to hear it.

If you come on a public board and complain dont be surprised when people point out the falsehoods and half-truths. Its these actions that cause other people to register on the boards so that they can counter your rantings.

 

[some_dude]

Isn't it a rather large premium, though? More than double the typical block charter rate from any other charter operator.

I know, you only pay for occupied legs, but even factoring that in it still looks to be much more expensive for most uses.

If the fractional industry goes more toward block charter, will that bring the jet card rates down to be more in line with the traditional charter industry?

Just wondering...

With card programs there is no large capital outlay, no vagaries of residual value based on market conditions, and no forced interest in a company that is managing and sharing your expensive asset for you - less hassle for a small premium.

 

[AA717driver]

I think the frac/card business will boom in the coming years. Anyone who travels by airline can understand why someone who doesn't HAVE to do that will go frac/card.

I personally don't see the NJA contract paying $125k/year. But I certainly don't think they should make what they are now. But WTFDIK, I've been wrong about most things I've predicted so far in my career...

NJA won't fire them or let them strike. JMO.TC

 

[CandyMan]

It is illegal for a company to fire a unionized group of employees. This won't happen.


They may however be able to shut down and crank up as a non union company and ask the pilots to work for the new company. If this happens I don't see many pilots crossing the picket lines at NJA.

 

[Kingairrick]

It is illegal for a company to fire a unionized group of employees. This won't happen.


They may however be able to shut down and crank up as a non union company and ask the pilots to work for the new company. If this happens I don't see many pilots crossing the picket lines at NJA.

I didn't know that it was illegal. I was thinking of the controller strike back in the 80s where Reagan fired them all and hired new ones. They were federal employees. Maybe that's the difference?

Just my .02, I believe that there will always be scabs who will cross the lines. This opinion is based upon the history of airline strikes. I know it seems crazy to cross the line for the pay they would get, but there are pilots out there who just want to fly airplanes without props at any cost...

 

[Starman]

If you want to b1tch, fine, but do it on your own union board. nobody else wants to hear it.

Actually, the pilots out there thinking about applying here are very interested in our posts. Seeing as how the pilot recruitment office can't get anywhere near enough qualified applicants, our posts are being effective in reaching the people we want to reach. They see through the obvious ploy of one or two company management folks registering multiple screen names on here.

 

[transpac]

I didn't know that it was illegal. I was thinking of the controller strike back in the 80s where Reagan fired them all and hired new ones. They were federal employees. Maybe that's the difference?

It's illegal for a federal employee to go on strike, and the controllers were fired for breaking a federal law. In the Netjets case, a strike would be legal as long as the RLA process is followed. But, nothing says the company can't lock out the strikers and hire replacement workers until the strike is settled. This could be forever if they can find enough scabs.

 

[El Chupacabra]

But, nothing says the company can't lock out the strikers and hire replacement workers until the strike is settled. This could be forever if they can find enough scabs.

This would appear to be their plan.

 

[transpac]

el chup,

That might be their plan. But, I'm not sure how many new hires will cross the line for a what will likely be a temporary job (but a permanent title) for Netjets wages. UAL offered scabs $75,000 twenty years ago and didn't get many takers.