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Fractionals and furloughed pilots?

W8N4UAL

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Posted this same question on the regional side but am not sure if there's much cross-traffic between the boards.

Are there any fractionals that will consider hiring a furloughed pilot without requiring them to resign their seniority? I have a BE40/MU30 type, so I was thinking Raytheon might be a possibility.

I am the most junior furloughed pilot at United, so it's going to be a while. Content to wait it out, but if there's a chance to fly, I want to pursue it.

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Im pretty sure netjets makes you resign your number, but im not sure about the others. Even if you are the most junior guy, that probably wont matter to the company. I think the company will be worried about you bailing out on them, therefore they have to eat the price of training.

Granted, you might be there long enough to offset the training cost, but i dont think there are many, if any at all, that wont make you resign your number.

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RTA no longer exists. FO, LLC will not hire any pilots that are on furlough. There are plenty of pilots available, so why would they hire somebody they know will be gone as soon as the mother ship calls?
 

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Well, I guess that shows how long I've been out of the loop (first baby will tend to do that). After I posted last night I saw that Raytheon and FO had become one and felt a little sheepish.

I guess the real question should be are there any fractionals that will let me sign a training contract? I would sign one up to three years with no qualms. Comes down to supply/demand though, and I imagine there are enough pilots our there that they don't want to mess with someone who's not going to be long-term loyal.

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I just interviewd with NJA a few days ago. I am not furloughed, but there were pilots from Emery, Midway and USAirways on furloughed. NJA, at least, gave them a chance to interview. None of the guys mentioned any questions by the interviewers regarding, furlough, ,recall or resignation of seniority.
As I understand though, right now, NJA does not even send out apps, even with letters of recommendation.
Good luck!
Wow!..2300 hours civilian at UAL?
 

gump88

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EMB145 said:
Wow!..2300 hours civilian at UAL?

I was thinking the same thing. Netjets mins are 2500 TT, no exceptions, and you do have to resign seniority.

EMB145, how did the interview go? I hope to see you on line soon.

gump
 

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I interned at United while I was at Purdue. With an internship you get increased priority for an interview...it's not a guaranteed interview or a guaranteed job.

You can PM me if you're curious for more details...

W8N
 

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In theory NetJets wants you to resign your seniority. However this seems to be an ignored issue currently. I've talked to several furloughed guys here on this issue and they say that Netjets has said nothing to them on this at all. There are folks in my Indoc class with seniority numbers at various majors (USAir, United, etc) and they have not had any pressure at all on this.

It's more likely to be an interview type question regarding your career goals and what your intentions are. i don't think they really care if you resign a seniority or not at this point. Regardless of your furlough status it has no effect on the 2 year commitment you must sign to repay training costs if you do leave. On this I think they are serious and will enforce it.
 

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I was an Intern also for United, graduated from ERAU, but you are wrong about 1 thing, the internship guarantees the interview, but not the job, when I did the Internship they said that you get 2 free interview chances, then you are on your own, I put my app in and got an invite in 2 weeks, got hired, was put in the pool, then 9/11 came along, lucking for me that I did not quit my current job, in fact, I might just stay where I am, I enjoy flying fractional, and pay is going up and I would rather not go to United anyway anymore, they hit their retirement peak, I was also in Delta's pool and hope that they will call me when thay start up again, they plan on retiring over 4000 between 2010-2020, united already passed that, but then again I might just stay put, I have a great job, but good luck anyway
 

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I can confirm TJSatter is correct. How you doing in that hawker tommy boy?
 

EMB145

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It went well, thanks for asking.

I did get the call within a week and offered the Baby Jet, which I gladly accepted with a big ole' grin on my face.
See ya'll there, thanks for all the good info and good wishes.
 

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Hey Jeff!

just finished indoc and ac training in the Hawker, cool airplane! Now waiting for IOE but will enjoy the time at home until they need me next! have you started IOE yet? What's the timeframe after ac training?

tj
 

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Fractionals and Furloughed Pilots

Had several furloughed United Airline Pilots at my interview. Infact, all but 3 or 4 of us were furloughed Airline, and there were 19 at the interview. I believe they all got hired, and I did not. So I would say that you have a pretty good shot at getting a position with one of the Fracs, especially the largest one. They seem to love the Retired and Furloughed Airline guys and gals. So if you need to stay current until United calls you back, send your stuff to NJA, they'll hire you. They don't care about the training cost! What company would hire retired airline pilots if they were looking for people to hang around?
To answer your question about the seniority number, I think you can get help from your United buddies on the resignation thing. The guys I interviewed with didn't seem to be worried, they were all going back when called.
 

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Just called in today about this and yes you do need to resign your number to be a member of netjets. I had to with Comair and so goes the same with everyone else. They could care less if you came from some major airline as a layoff, as they know over 80% of these hires were pilots of who they knew or minority, so they do not give a crap. Netjets did not make me till I was there for one month, but believe me, they did not forget. For all you high and mighty daddies boys from the majors that are tying a free ride here, forget it. You come, plan on staying, plus it will beat your new job as a regional jet pilot by about 2,000 percent.
 

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Rufus,
I'm not sure your info is entirely correct. Why so bitter sounding? Give ex airline guys a break.
 

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rufus said:
For all you high and mighty daddies boys from the majors that are tying a free ride here, forget it. You come, plan on staying, plus it will beat your new job as a regional jet pilot by about 2,000 percent.

I doubt it will beat any job by even 2% if there are a lot of people with your attitude there.
 

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Re: Fractionals and Furloughed Pilots

CE650SC said:
Had several furloughed United Airline Pilots at my interview. Infact, all but 3 or 4 of us were furloughed Airline, and there were 19 at the interview. I believe they all got hired, and I did not. So I would say that you have a pretty good shot at getting a position with one of the Fracs, especially the largest one. They seem to love the Retired and Furloughed Airline guys and gals. So if you need to stay current until United calls you back, send your stuff to NJA, they'll hire you. They don't care about the training cost! What company would hire retired airline pilots if they were looking for people to hang around?
To answer your question about the seniority number, I think you can get help from your United buddies on the resignation thing. The guys I interviewed with didn't seem to be worried, they were all going back when called.

CE,

You sound a little disgruntled! I'm sorry you didnt get hired. Try again in 6 months.

Peace,
gump
 

CE650SC

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Actually I'm not disgruntled, sorry it came off that way. I was just trying to encourage w8n4ual. Things look pretty good for the furloughed guys at NJA, and if they can get a job I'm very happy for them. I hate to see anyone out of work.
I was just trying to compare my current status with his in answering his question. I am an employed corporate pilot who has never flown with the airlines and I did not get a job offer from NJA - all the furloughed guys did. I was just giving him the facts.
Sorry it came off negative, it wasn't my intention. Just trying to help.
 
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