fractional vs regional ?

[sweptwingz]

No contest....

Sliding back to the original post and question on this thread....

I have flown for two regionals, USAir Express (BE-1900), and Eastern
Express (BE-C-99), as well as freight (MU-2), Air Ambulance (C-421),
Ag Ops (BE-90), and charter (C-310, PA-23/250).
I don't know about the other fractionals, but I can ASSURE you that
working for EJA is light years ahead of any regional flying as far as quality
of life, pay, equipment, and benefits. I've flown for this fractional for
almost 5 years and have had Co-Captains and Co-pilots from the military,
majors, regionals, and almost every background imaginable. Almost 99%
of them tell me that (except for the major airline pay scale),
this is the best place they've EVER worked. I hope the new contract
will fix the pay situation, as well. Trust me, ask ANY pilot who has worked
at both a regional and a QUALITY fractional....it's a "no brainer".

 

[superfly]

I've just come back from indoc and a/c training in CMH with EJA and I've also drank the Kool Aid. Sign me up, I'm here to stay! EJA is a great place to be but it's not for everyone. Is it better than a Major? Who knows, I guess it's all in ones perception and what you value in a job. There was one furloughed Major pilot in my class whom would not leave if recalled.

With that being said this next contract will be the deciding factor for many people. "Show me the money" is still a common theme during my indoc. Yes we need a pay raise but that is not the only reason I came here. I also came from Midway.

Good luck!

 

[Frac Daddy]

At RTA I have flown with plenty of ex-regional guys but I personally do not know of anybody leaving RTA to fly at a regional. Take it for what it is worth.

Sorry for th late response to your question.

 

[EMB145]

I am hoping to leave the regionals for EJA. However, I have worked with several guys who left the fractionals to work at the regionals. Part 121 time is valuable if you are looking toward the majors.
I guess, it is the economic forecast, flight time, upgrade time and whatever blows your skirt up.

 

[EJA Capt]

I can tell you this, though, there were over 20 pilots a month leaving EJA for majors last year, but I have yet to hear of any pilots leaving a major airline to go to EJA.

Ty,
Actually, I have the EJA resignation list in front of me, back to Jan 2000. The average for the entire period was only 6-8 per month. One month as high as 16, some as low as 4. (These also include terminations.) As a matter of fact, some EJA pilots did go to majors and return. Both prior to, and since Sept. 11th.

I turned down a nice job flying 72's 4 years ago to come to EJA. If I had not, I would now be in the furlough line with several of my contemporaries. Instead, I'm in the top 20% at EJA, and based in my hometown.

Glad to be here.

 

[Ty Webb]

I flew corporate (91 and 135) for four years, and was on the certificate of two of the biggest players- namely TAG and Business Jet Solutions. I had an offer from Options back in '99, and an interview scheduled with EJA when I got my airline job, so I am pretty savvy about what this industry is about, and for me, my airline job is preferable, but that's just me . . . . .

I have said it many times before, and I'll say it again- thankfully, we don't all want the same job, or we'd all be in a mess.

I have to hand it to the frax- they have turned in a phenomenal safety record- in some years it has been better than the 121 operators, but while going into many non-air carrier airports on short notice-. keep up the good work, guys.

 

[EJA Capt]

I flew corporate (91 and 135) for four years…,so I am pretty savvy about what this industry is about. - Ty Webb

That’s rather arrogant considering the talent that is represented on this board don’t you think?

It also has nothing to do with my statement that your supposed facts about EJA are grossly overstated. If we need facts about the airline side (TWA 717?), please speak up. If it is about the fractional side, how about letting one of us on the inside give ACCURATE details.

I have never said there was anything wrong with airline life. Just because a few (thousand) of us don't care anything about it, doesn't make us crazy, sub-standard, nor incompetent.

By the way, I was approached today by another 121 Captain who just sent his app to EJA.

 

[Ty Webb]

Easy, there Chief:

Maybe you should try a few cups of coffee before you make your posts.

After being on the certificate of two fractional operators and having been through the interview process at a third (Options), and having been on the road talking and interacting w/ frax guys for four years, I was definitely in a position to form an intelligent opinion about frax life.

Maybe if I had flown another three years years as a bizjet capt., I would have the vast experience and wisdom of your 5000 hours versus my 3200. Maybe if I had emptied more lavs and dealt with more huge egos (pax, not yours) then I would be qualified to comment in your exalted eyes. Maybe if I spent more time sitting around FBO's waiting to be released by crew scheduling. Maybe . . . .no, wait, maybe you're just an ignorant ass who isn't worth taking time on this Saturday morning to respond to.

You have yourself a nice life, pal. You must be a real joy to fly with.

 

[highflyer]

Just a minute, gentlemen....

Cant we all just get along? (Quote from a famous LA resident)

 

[EJA Capt]

Ty,

What's all the hubbub big guy????????

I never made any attacks on you, either personally of professionally. I also did not profess to be the foremost opinion of any specific issue. The talent I was referring to on this board are the many 20,000+ hour airline/corporate guys. I did not claim to be Super Pilot.

Again, All I pointed out was your 20 pilot/month resignation rate at EJA was inaccurate. That's it! No big deal.

We can all see you did not enjoy your stint as a corporate pilot. I am sincerely glad you have now found what you enjoy.


End of thread.
Cheers