Former Tranny bidding SW Captain prior to 2015?

[dalad]

Let him sue then. SWAPA has a reserve fund of over $12 Million. I am sure this jack wagon has quite a bit less.

That being said the language is air tight. If he wants to bang his head against the wall for sport then I will just sit on the sidelines and enjoy the show.

The "jack wagon" you refer doesn't need a dime if he finds a greedy labor lawyer who will take the case on a contingency. There only has to be one person with deep pockets, that would be the person or entity being sued. That's why so many frivolous lawsuits get filed in this country.

 

[PCL_128]

DFR lawsuits are incredibly hard to win, so you usually won't find any attorneys willing to take them on a contingency basis. They want their money.

 

[SWA Bubba]

DFR lawsuits are incredibly hard to win, so you usually won't find any attorneys willing to take them on a contingency basis. They want their money.

I would think especially in this situation, where his "case" is not only against the interests of every other member (assuming he attempts to sue SWAPA for DFR), but also against the clear intent of the agreement. Ah well, I suppose we'll see what happens.

Bubba

 

[OldManPilot]

Just a thought. Since the announcement of the sale of the B717's would that not void or at least open the SL's for amendment and/or changes since much of the agreement was based on the incorporation of the B717?

 

[FlyinGuy]

How would it void it???

After you open it up, then what?

Come to SWA and SWAPA and say we want more?

 

[Lear70]

There's actually case law with the NMB to do exactly that in this scenario. However, the AirTran MEC would prefer to work WITH Southwest rather than getting litigious.

If you threaten legal action they will just shut down and say "Bring it. See you in court." But if you work peacefully to find a middle ground, you leave your negotiating options open.

 

[ATLplt]

Come to SWA and SWAPA and say we want more?

Asking for more would imply that we actually got something in the first place.

 

[Cometman]

There's actually case law with the NMB to do exactly that in this scenario. However, the AirTran MEC would prefer to work WITH Southwest rather than getting litigious.

If you threaten legal action they will just shut down and say "Bring it. See you in court." But if you work peacefully to find a middle ground, you leave your negotiating options open.

I am sure you can tell everybody what case law you are referring too. I say you cannot, so prove me wrong or stop stirring the pot again.

 

[Lear70]

Gotta love the ignore list for flamers who pretend not to work for Southwest when they actually do. Lol

 

[fletch717]

Asking for more would imply that we actually got something in the first place.

Cue the SWA pilot (ret air force) to tell us how we should be thankful to have a job at SWA and if we don't like it we don't have to work there in 3,2,1

 

[Cometman]

Gotta love the ignore list for flamers who pretend not to work for Southwest when they actually do. Lol

I guess that means you cannot state the case law. Give up and stop trying to be somebody you are not. Either tell everybody the case law you are talking about or stop stirring the pot.

 

[flint4xx]

There is no way he is going to get it, but just for arguments sake I can bet that he would NEVER pass the checkride...

 

[FlyinGuy]

But if you work peacefully to find a middle ground, you leave your negotiating options open.

Please tell me how this would actually work?

How do you find peaceful middle ground when both sides think the other side got too much?

ALPA: We want more seniority and the ability to bid Capt if system seniority allows with no restrictions. We would also like to put a fence around ATL.

SWAPA: uh...NO!!! What we think would be fair is for you to be stapled, or since we are dumping over half of your company's airplanes we think that you should only get a preferential interview.

ALPA: uh...NO!!

SWA: Since you guys cannot find middle ground, we think we need to move forward with the agreed upon SLI. You know "One Luv"!!!

 

[scoreboardII]

Just a thought. Since the announcement of the sale of the B717's would that not void or at least open the SL's for amendment and/or changes since much of the agreement was based on the incorporation of the B717?

No.

added for five

 

[scoreboardII]

Cue the SWA pilot (ret air force) to tell us how we should be thankful to have a job at SWA and if we don't like it we don't have to work there in 3,2,1

if you think anyone on this side of the trench feels "thankful" this crap went down, your'e mistaken.

Lets move on and work together against the man, not fight against each other.

 

[Kharma Police]

Please tell me how this would actually work?

How do you find peaceful middle ground when both sides think the other side got too much?

ALPA: We want more seniority and the ability to bid Capt if system seniority allows with no restrictions. We would also like to put a fence around ATL.

SWAPA: uh...NO!!! What we think would be fair is for you to be stapled, or since we are dumping over half of your company's airplanes we think that you should only get a preferential interview.

ALPA: uh...NO!!

SWA: Since you guys cannot find middle ground, we think we need to move forward with the agreed upon SLI. You know "One Luv"!!!

Not that it has any relevance at this point but I think in the interests of preserving the SW culture, I believe letting the process play out (as mutually agreed) and taking the SLI to arbitration would've removed the resentment on both sides. After all, don't blame my group or me, blame the arbitrator!

 

[NuGuy]

There is no way he is going to get it, but just for arguments sake I can bet that he would NEVER pass the checkride...

And, if it was ever proven to any degree, there would be a significant civil action and a few check airmen jobs lost.

You don't think this kind of thing hasn't happened in the past? It usually doesn't end well for the check airmen and IP, and the checkee gets his ticket and seat anyway.

If this guy is smart enough to game the language, I'm sure he's smart enough to understand the "unwritten" implications and make arrangements (3rd party observers, etc).

Nu

 

[Dan Roman]

if you think anyone on this side of the trench feels "thankful" this crap went down, your'e mistaken.

Lets move on and work together against the man, not fight against each other.

Is that warrior speak for "we screwed you over now forget about it and be our bitch's"?

 

[PCL_128]

There is no way he is going to get it, but just for arguments sake I can bet that he would NEVER pass the checkride...

There's that great "culture" again.

 

[wood pecker]

Not related but when will the survey results be released?