Former Pilots-Union Chief Duane Woerth Has Inside Track to Lead FAA

[ifly4u]

He wouldn't set about to increase the operating costs of the airlines in these troubled times when the duty/rest precedent is well established.

You have a point, but age 60 was a well established precedent too. At the very least it would get the issue back on the front burner. I think this is maybe the best shot we have to fix the rules. It's going to be difficult for them to justify 16 hour duty days when they just shortened the duty day for train conductors to 12. How about 10 hours of duty = 10 hours rest, 11 = 11 hours rest, and 12 = 12 rest. Very simple, easy to understand, no more complicated formulas. I don't see why we couldn't get this done.

 

[Speedtape]

When did SKW vote down ALPA and when did ASA get thier raise? Not saying you're wrong, just for some reason in my brain, I thought SKW voted down ALPA long before the ASA vote went through.

As far as reeping bennefits, I know YOU didn't say that, but I have seen others ALPA cheerleaders get all pissed about it.
It seems like they're more upset because they aren't getting the pat on the back they feel they deserve. And anyone that doesn't pat them on the back is "riding thier coat tails".
Does ALPA do good for the industry, or do they do good to try and gain more members?

To answer your question:

Whether you work for an ALPA carrier or not, you can thank ALPA for setting standards in pay, benefits, and safety that positively affect the jobs of all pilots. Without ALPA, or it's equivalent, your wages and benefits would be much lower and this industry would not be as safe. Like it or not, the pilot profession is much better off because of a union--ALPA.

So, the question for you, are you better off in this industry as a result of ALPA, irregardless of your membership affiliation? We know the answer--no response is required!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

But he won't. Duane doesn't care about pilots, he cares about Duane.

How do you know? Do you have specific personal knowledge and experience?

If he only cared for himself how did he get elected again?

The mission of the FAA is bifurcated: 1) Safety and 2) Promote Aviation. "Promote Aviation" is Washington speak for getting in bed with management to try to help keep the commercial aviation corporations viable.

So would having a union leader that is used to dealing with managment be good or bad?

He wouldn't set about to increase the operating costs of the airlines in these troubled times when the duty/rest precedent is well established.

Can you justify your statement?

 

[CFIT]

I think the choice will be pretty simple; he's either in bed with the legacy management or he will not get the job.

If any of you think he'll come in and do what is right for the pilot's sake, well, keep dreaming....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I think the choice will be pretty simple; he's either in bed with the legacy management or he will not get the job.

If any of you think he'll come in and do what is right for the pilot's sake, well, keep dreaming....

For a non union pilot you sure seem to know allot about Woerth and his job performance..... how is that?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

For a non union pilot you sure seem to know allot about Woerth and his job performance..... how is that?

Brad told him.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

For a non union pilot you sure seem to know allot about Woerth and his job performance..... how is that?

Brad told him.
PBR

 

[WayBack]

To answer your question:

Whether you work for an ALPA carrier or not, you can thank ALPA for setting standards in pay, benefits, and safety that positively affect the jobs of all pilots. Without ALPA, or it's equivalent, your wages and benefits would be much lower and this industry would not be as safe. Like it or not, the pilot profession is much better off because of a union--ALPA.

So, the question for you, are you better off in this industry as a result of ALPA, irregardless of your membership affiliation? We know the answer--no response is required!

You're kidding me, right?
How many times has ALPA told their pilot group to take a paycut to "live to fight another day"??
How about the guys at ExpressJet who just furloughed 300 pilots and then the union tells them to take a pay cut to "protect their livelyhood".

 

[Tarzan]

You're kidding me, right?
How many times has ALPA told their pilot group to take a paycut to "live to fight another day"??
How about the guys at ExpressJet who just furloughed 300 pilots and then the union tells them to take a pay cut to "protect their livelyhood".

Wayback, stop with the head in the sand routine. I am not a big ALPA fan either. However, there have been advancements from all angles of this profession due to the lobby effort of ALPA.

There have certainly failings as well. I believe that many aspects of how ALPA operates worked years ago but not today. I don't know if there will be room for them in furutre unless they adapt to this cut throat business enviroment.

Out of curiosity, what would you be saying right now if SkyWest was furloughing?

 

[DX Rick]

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[Nevets]

You're kidding me, right?
How many times has ALPA told their pilot group to take a paycut to "live to fight another day"??
How about the guys at ExpressJet who just furloughed 300 pilots and then the union tells them to take a pay cut to "protect their livelyhood".

And yet you still benefit from ALPA.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

You're kidding me, right?
How many times has ALPA told their pilot group to take a paycut to "live to fight another day"??
How about the guys at ExpressJet who just furloughed 300 pilots and then the union tells them to take a pay cut to "protect their livelyhood".

So you think a pilot group has a better chance in a 1113c proceding of maintaining their 'status quo' than negotiating the cut themselves? Pay cuts suck, that's for sure, but management in these cases was looking to throw out ENTIRE CONTRACTS and impose their own policies and pay, without ALPA (or any other unions) input.

So then you would say, 'Well I'm not working for those wages, I'll just quit.' If there is one thing we ALL know in this industry, is that their are plenty of starry-eyed spikey haired kids who would not hesitate ONE SECOND to take your job, at half pay or less.

Unfortunately, it is better to take the hit rather than let an 'impartial' judge do it for you.

Peace.

Rekks

 

[Fred Rogers]

You're kidding me, right?
How many times has ALPA told their pilot group to take a paycut to "live to fight another day"??
How about the guys at ExpressJet who just furloughed 300 pilots and then the union tells them to take a pay cut to "protect their livelyhood".

I love the quasi-informed folks who think it's cool to be in the "rag on ALPA" group.

If ALPA is so horrible then why don't you volunteer to make it better? Hate to break it to you, but ALPA is us and we are ALPA. (well, hopefully we as in me soon)

Whining from the sidelines fixes nothing.

 

[JungleJett]

I love the quasi-informed folks who think it's cool to be in the "rag on ALPA" group.

If ALPA is so horrible then why don't you volunteer to make it better? Hate to break it to you, but ALPA is us and we are ALPA. (well, hopefully we as in me soon)

Whining from the sidelines fixes nothing.

Party line...straight from the indoctrination training camps.

Do you think the government can do a better job...or maybe even the president? If not, were you on the ballot for election?

ALPA is an impotent union that is slowly but surely losing its power both with its membership and in Washington. DW will be just another puppet and cannot, in good conscience solely, protect Part 121 pilots.

Good thing ALPA was around, we would all work for peanuts and lose an airplane every other day. Not one person or group would have stepped up...only ALPA was able to do that and enhance safety. No one else is responsible for that..no one. Only ALPA...now send us your dues.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Party line...straight from the indoctrination training camps.

This is one of the problems. ALPA has no or very weak training. ALPA relies on it committee members and Officers to figure it out or 'pick it up' as they go along.....

Do you think the government can do a better job...or maybe even the president? If not, were you on the ballot for election?

I really don't care for that reasoning either.... which is..

If you don't like the status quo then run for office and change thinkgs yourself...
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Well that is great, but what if you don't want to be in office or what if you lose the election.. should you just sit down and be quiet?

No.

Participatory politics and democracy is available in unions and ALPA... Problem is ... pilots choose not to.

When an airline I worked furloughed there was a special LEC meeting... it was packed full. Suddenly it was important for pilots to attend the meeting..

Problem was... pilots in attendance wanted to know what peer pilots who volunteered were going to do for them... Not what pilots were going to do for themselves....


A critique of post 9/11 was the President said "go out and shop" and go be consumers.. don't worry about the state of crises, we will worry about everything...

Rather when America was in crises the citizens of the USA should have become active participants.

ALPA is an impotent union that is slowly but surely losing its power both with its membership and in Washington. DW will be just another puppet and cannot, in good conscience solely, protect Part 121 pilots.

So, with the Air Line Pilot Profession in crises, should be be counting on new pins and a glossy magazine to fix our careers our should we be actively participating?

Good thing ALPA was around, we would all work for peanuts and lose an airplane every other day. Not one person or group would have stepped up...only ALPA was able to do that and enhance safety. No one else is responsible for that..no one. Only ALPA...now send us your dues.

It is easy to point out problems, especially when you do not have the responsibility to solve them...

regardless..... what do you suggest?