Former AWA Pilot writes the truth

[TWA Dude]

Just trying to convey to you some of the reasons for our determination and perserverance.

If $eham hadn't told Cleary changing unions was a legal way to get around an arbitration the USAPA debacle would've never come to pass. As I said before, you're doing this because you think there's a chance you'll get away with it. The second you realize you can't the dispute will end.

I think you guys need to be reminded of the absurdity of your binding arbitration...it is keeping you from a decent contract.

You're too generous. It was OUR binding arbitration. You know, the one both sides spend months and millions of dollars on. Absurd or not, binding means, oh what's the word I'm looking for, oh yeah, BINDING. Oh, and our contract is more decent than yours and so far a lot of what your so-called NAC has come up with is concessionary. (Plus, we'll lose use of the cabin jumpseat.) As Nicolau stated, the East has a lot more to gain than the West. Enjoy LOA 93 as long as wish.

When will you see me in her court in 2012, 13? If we lose we appeal in 2014...15?

We all know the East's strategy from day one has been to delay the implementation of the Nic list. In that you've succeeded. If there's justice there'll be high price to pay for your treachery.

In 2015 will we get to vote down (for many years) a contract containg the nic or will you guys some how get a jdge to change the RLA and have him force a contract down our throats?

A judge won't force any contract on anybody but s/he can negate any part that's illegal. That's all that required in this case.

 

[charlie2]

A judge won't force any contract on anybody but s/he can negate any part that's illegal. That's all that required in this case.

I meant when we finally (in three or four years) are forced to negotiate a contract using the nic, will I get to vote no on it? Because I will.

 

[charlie2]

Oh, and our contract is more decent than yours and so far a lot of what your so-called NAC has come up with is concessionary. (Plus, we'll lose use of the cabin jumpseat.) As Nicolau stated, the East has a lot more to gain than the West. Enjoy LOA 93 as long as wish.

I just finished SAP'ing my Aug schedule hoping to go from 16 days off to 18. How's Aug looking for you right now? I like our contract.

 

[becket]

I meant when we finally (in three or four years) are forced to negotiate a contract using the nic, will I get to vote no on it? Because I will.

Go Ahead! Who cares? You can cut off your to spite your face until the end of time. Won't change a thing.

 

[TWA Dude]

I just finished SAP'ing my Aug schedule hoping to go from 16 days off to 18. How's Aug looking for you right now? I like our contract.

Seriously, you really want to play a game of "our contract is better than yours"? You really think you have something to brag about? Enjoy your SAPing, whatever that means.

 

[captfred]

SAP is the eastie version of what we call DPI.

 

[charlie2]

Seriously, you really want to play a game of "our contract is better than yours"? You really think you have something to brag about? Enjoy your SAPing, whatever that means.

Seriously...you don't know SAP??

 

[TWA Dude]

No, but apparently I'm arguing with one.
(c'mon, you walked right into that one)

 

[charlie2]

No, but apparently I'm arguing with one.
(c'mon, you walked right into that one)

Sure did!

 

[reepicheep]

I'm curious what the USAPA seniority integration strategy would be in case of a merger with AA - they have furloughees with earlier DOH than many hundreds of Airways east and west pilots including I believe some captains. No sarcasm or flame-baiting intended since this seems to be the most oft-mentioned merger scenario. It's something to think about.

 

[charlie2]

I'm curious what the USAPA seniority integration strategy would be in case of a merger with AA - they have furloughees with earlier DOH than many hundreds of Airways east and west pilots including I believe some captains. No sarcasm or flame-baiting intended since this seems to be the most oft-mentioned merger scenario. It's something to think about.

We would want DOH but they out number us and would probably get whatever they want...those Nazis! I'm sure it would go to arbitration and we would get screwed again.

 

[becket]

I'm curious what the USAPA seniority integration strategy would be in case of a merger with AA - they have furloughees with earlier DOH than many hundreds of Airways east and west pilots including I believe some captains. No sarcasm or flame-baiting intended since this seems to be the most oft-mentioned merger scenario. It's something to think about.

Well that's an Easy one. You would see USAPA abandon DOH as the "Gold Standard" in a NY minute.

Those slithering scum bags won't stop at ANYTHING to advance themselves at the expense of others.

 

[charlie2]

Well that's an Easy one. You would see USAPA abandon DOH as the "Gold Standard" in a NY minute.

Those slithering scum bags won't stop at ANYTHING to advance themselves at the expense of others.

You are wrong...we don't slither.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I just finished SAP'ing my Aug schedule hoping to go from 16 days off to 18. How's Aug looking for you right now? I like our contract.

Gee, with PBS you can do that AND get paid 90 hours or more! And you can set it to do that every month without having to crack a bid sheet!

I can see why you'd prefer to stick with your steam-powered bidding system.

No, not really.

 

[Bringupthebird]

You are wrong...we don't slither.

No, you slither, but don't advance!